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Re: White Rabbit – sub-nanosecond synchronization for large distributed systems

#11
If you run "make" in the papers/IBIC2013 directory you'll get this paper: https://cds.cern.ch/record/1743073/files/thbl2.pdf

It's quite interesting - this isn't ethernet as we know it. Instead of each NIC using its own free-running clock, all the physical layers are sync'ed to each other at layer 1. (note that gigabit ethernet, which is what it uses, sends data at all times - when idle it sends the idle symbol)

Re: White Rabbit – sub-nanosecond synchronization for large distributed systems

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Haven't looked into this in depth but sub-nanosecond sync for systems up to 10km apart is interesting since 10km is about 33 light microseconds. There is some trickery going on.

Two-way time transfer measures the round-trip propagation time. As a result, it's not directly relevant to the accuracy.

So then you need to know distance / roundtrip-length within centimeter precision as well (below 29.98 cm for sub-nanosecond precision… to be precise).

Since cm precision is often not possible, is roundtrip-length an estimated average from prior roundtrips?

Re: White Rabbit – sub-nanosecond synchronization for large distributed systems

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two-way time transfer measures the round-trip propagation time. As a result, it's not directly relevant to the accuracy.

So then you need to know distance / roundtrip-length within centimeter precision as well (below 29.98 cm for sub-nanosecond precision… to be precise). Since cm precision is often not possible, is roundtrip-length an estimated average from prior roundtrips?

delay is easy

jitter kills

Re: White Rabbit – sub-nanosecond synchronization for large distributed systems

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two-way time transfer measures the round-trip propagation time. As a result, it's not directly relevant to the accuracy.

So then you need to know distance / roundtrip-length within centimeter precision as well (below 29.98 cm for sub-nanosecond precision… to be precise). Since cm precision is often not possible, is roundtrip-length an estimated average from prior roundtrips?

The roundtrip time is measured and compensated. Even NTP does this. Knowing the distance is not necessary for time synchronization.

Re: White Rabbit – sub-nanosecond synchronization for large distributed systems

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Haven't looked into this in depth but sub-nanosecond sync for systems up to 10km apart is interesting since 10km is about 33 light microseconds. There is some trickery going on.

Yes, it uses phased locked loops and measures phase difference between the master clock and the local clock.

Similar to the much smaller scale Wi-Wi setup that was on HN a few days ago (which came after WR): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48209055

Re: White Rabbit – sub-nanosecond synchronization for large distributed systems

#18

Some may find https://gitlab.com/ohwr/project/white-rabbit/-/wikis/home an easier starting point. Particularly the "Synchronization" page. In short, it's about giving PTP and SyncE some extra smarts.

Probably even better to start at the collaboration website https://www.white-rabbit.tech/wr-technology/

Re: White Rabbit – sub-nanosecond synchronization for large distributed systems

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post #2

Haven't looked into this in depth but sub-nanosecond sync for systems up to 10km apart is interesting since 10km is about 33 light microseconds. There is some trickery going on.

yes, it needs custom built hardware to work.

Re: White Rabbit – sub-nanosecond synchronization for large distributed systems

#20

Not on GitHub?

Its on gitlab but even there I failed to find sources, documentation/presentations are there though

https://www.white-rabbit.tech/wr-technology/

Note that this is also for a large part a hardware-based technology

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