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Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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As someone who has been writing harnesses for a year: the people at opencode etc aren't stupid, when they decide to break the prefix cache [usually partially] it's always because they've tested it and it gives better results overall. If you think that dsv4 behaves differently enough from the aggregate of other models, submit a PR with a patch to special case that to your harness of choice with evidence. Just blindly…

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Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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I am getting 98.6% cache hit ratio on deepseek-v4-flash with opencode

That’s impressive! On the sheer performance it’s comparable to Opus ?

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Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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> I wrote a tiny little bridge so I could use DeepSeek V4 Pro via Codex Can you share the bridge. DeepSeek v4 is awesome paired with claude-code or opencode. I found that claude code costs me less than opencode and I am presuming this is due to a better engineered harness.

I’m feeling more a novice every day, but how isn’t this just handing over your code to team deepseek for whatever they might want

Yeah, but it's miles better than giving Anthropic and OpenAI your data. At least Deepseek is releasing open-weight models and a lot of open-source libraries.

If you're concerned about espionage then the only solution is host the models yourself, which again, only open-weight models like Deepseek enable you to do this.

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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So what's best low cost coding agent these days? Kimi 2.6? Qwen's latest closed model? Composer 2.5? DeepSeek?

In my experience, it is claude-code paired with deepseek-v4. For penny-pinchers like me, I can have long coding sessions with it with no anxiety about the cost. Also, prompting it to what you want and verifying the outputs is more important than the quality of the model. So, I am better off with a cheaper model and taking the responsibility for prompting it and verifying the results.

How to do connect deepseek to Claude code?

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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Opencode has really bad cache stability issues that they seem uninterested in fixing at the moment.

I'm not sure that is really the case, or relevant in practice. I have been using OpenCode with DeepSeek lately (regular coding). For instance, today I got 120 million input tokens hitting cache, vs just 2.59million missing cache.

Reads like a LOT of tokens to me. What does your usage /workflow look like? I'm v curious because although I do use Claude code, my token counts aren't nearly as much

I want to know if I'm missing something cool!

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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Okay, I'm curious. From the FAQ, I see: >Can I point it at a self-hosted / private DeepSeek endpoint? >Yes. Since 0.30 we accept non-standard key prefixes for self-hosted DeepSeek endpoints. Just point `baseUrl` at your internal address — the loop, cache strategy, and tool protocol are unchanged. But my question is: If I use Reasonix to talk to a deepseek endpoint through openrouter, am I still getting the cache-hit…

I would wonder that too, I'm only a novice openrouter user, but I do notice it reroutes my same-model requests to different providers. Maybe users reporting otherwise are just looking at their client reports which wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

Look into Openrouter's provider routing.

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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there's laws on the books in China that says that every company operating in China must aid and abet the Chinese government in espionage against the rest of the world. given those facts, I find it deeply troubling to be using anything coming out of China, especially a program that runs in the context of a Linux terminal on a machine that might have something important on it. I'd argue it's a back door waiting to happ…

As a European I have to admit I am these days more worried about the US than China. See yesterday's article about the US government forcing Microsoft to give them lists of Dutch government officials. Utter madness. At least the Chinese mainly care about the money and power levers, the US about strange worlds of revenge and manipulation, trying to change or influence your government. E.g. which of the two countries ha…

Besides the language barrier it’s actually also just simpler to do business with the Chinese. There are issues like censorship but they are known & can be routed around. It’s best to just ignore the US and move your business elsewhere.

Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost

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Side note: In DeepSeek API docs they mention that coding clients automatically are assigned the highest thinking effort, despite any settings. This is what I suspected when using OpenCode with V4; it keeps reasoning in very long cycles, this felt like a flaw in the model. May just be a weird API thing.

Overall I find their API design and docs so messy. It's a shame, since it's the main entrypoint to using their service.

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