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Which CLIs are you using for each of the steps?
OpenCode for everything: https://www.stavros.io/posts/how-i-write-software-with-llms/
thank you; will read your post
DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost
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Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost
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Deepseek v4 pro is definitely my preferred cheap model, it's very good, and I use it all the time for my personal projects (opencode go plan), but I also use Claude Opus all the time at work and Deepseek is not as good as that, but it does compete with Sonnet for capability, and beats it on price.
I have unlimited Claude Opus at work and it’s wonderful. Not allozwed to use it for personal use though. So I use Deepseek Pro on the $20 Ollama Cloud plan and it’s really not that far behind and I never triggered the plan’s limits. It’s like 10-15% less powerful but costs 10 times less. Totally worth it. I prefer Opus because my employer pays for it but I would personally never pay 10 times more for it.
Nice,
I have got unlimited Claude Opus at work as well.
I was really having a hard time deciding between the Ollama and OpenCode plans for personal use, I couldn't really understand how much usage I would get with the Ollama plan, so in the end I went with OpenCode and I have never hit the limits despite using it most evenings and weekends for several hours.
Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost
#203Okay, I'm curious. From the FAQ, I see: >Can I point it at a self-hosted / private DeepSeek endpoint? >Yes. Since 0.30 we accept non-standard key prefixes for self-hosted DeepSeek endpoints. Just point `baseUrl` at your internal address — the loop, cache strategy, and tool protocol are unchanged. But my question is: If I use Reasonix to talk to a deepseek endpoint through openrouter, am I still getting the cache-hit…
I would wonder that too, I'm only a novice openrouter user, but I do notice it reroutes my same-model requests to different providers.
Maybe users reporting otherwise are just looking at their client reports which wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost
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changing between plan/build mode in some agents will change the tools list, which breaks the cache.
Cache is always there, it’s just that it only caches up to the point where an input token changes. So if the tools list is early in the prompt, changing it would limit cache for most of the prompt. If the tools list is the last thing, you could still get 99% cache hits even if it changes every turn.
Depends upon the service and how the harness is built, Some of the services allow for very few cache keys, so you won't necessarily get any cache if you edit recent messages as the cache is not per message, but big blocks of everything up to a cache key.
This was actually surprising to me when I learned about it as I have never worked with (or built) any cache working like that before.
Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost
#205This website seems to have been generated by Codex - I asked Codex to create an HTML overview of a feature for my team and it made an overly produced monstrosity - complete with the same large stat boxes that were for the most part devoid of meaningful information - using the same font, colors, layout, hero section, etc. It was also terrible on mobile just like this is. In the end I had Claude produce a one-page html…
strange, I got the same design with claude design, same fonts, same title designs with the strange character etc...
Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost
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(Zero reason to defend Anthropic.) I’ve gone that route. I really wanted to stop using Claude, but Deepseek v4 Pro and Kimi 2.6 didn’t do the job. For a lot of coding tasks or well-specced plans, maybe… but then that’s a plan made by Opus anyway. Even Sonnet is sometimes not worth the trouble. Opus is very thorough and reviews its own mistakes quite well. Catches a lot of edge cases. I’m not saying we shouldn’t try o…
/advisor is like the old /opusplan mode but for running tasks not just pre-planning. It can work nicely with Sonnet as the main agent and escalates to Opus as needed.
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Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost
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there's laws on the books in China that says that every company operating in China must aid and abet the Chinese government in espionage against the rest of the world. given those facts, I find it deeply troubling to be using anything coming out of China, especially a program that runs in the context of a Linux terminal on a machine that might have something important on it. I'd argue it's a back door waiting to happ…
As a European I have to admit I am these days more worried about the US than China. See yesterday's article about the US government forcing Microsoft to give them lists of Dutch government officials. Utter madness. At least the Chinese mainly care about the money and power levers, the US about strange worlds of revenge and manipulation, trying to change or influence your government. E.g. which of the two countries ha…
The situation you reference is related to a specific investigation by US congress requesting documents about potentially illegal censorship actions by EU officials from a specific company (microsoft). The difference is that the laws in china are broadly defined to include giving all intellectual property of anyone back to the government with no oversight, for the purposes of espionage.
The former relates to a specific investigation about potential criminal activity, the latter relates to broad illegal activity committed by the government itself unrelated to any specific case.
The US has no laws on the books forcing companies to wantonly give intellectual property and other espionage level material back to the government. If they did, no one would use cloud providers.
To avoid this, you can run your own hosted machine in a colocation facility, because in the US, people do have reduced rights when their data is controlled by a third party versus being controlled by themselves. Its the same as if the data was in your house, they would need a search warrant to obtain it, but when its at a Azure or AWS datacenter not controlled by you, your privacy rights are reduced by doing this.
Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost
#208I tried it and the text input area was black with a dark font. I checked the documentation, and asked DeepSeek v4, Claude, and Gemini for help with the fonts/style and nothing works except to run in a terminal with a dark theme. Crazy. None of the devs on the project use a light theme?
I agree that this is an issue, but.. no, they probably don’t. Light themes are very rarely used.
I understand why, but I didn't even think of light themed terminals till now..
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Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost
#209I'm not sure you need a "DeepSeek native coding agent" to take advantage of DeepSeeks cache, yesterday as the Codex quota usage issue still wasn't solved for me, I wrote a tiny little bridge so I could use DeepSeek V4 Pro via Codex, and seems most of everything I did was basically cached as far as I can tell: https://i.imgur.com/7eKn6wN.png (2026-05-23 Input (Cache hit): 39,123,200 tokens, Input (Cache miss) 1,692,28…
This would be a better page to link to https://github.com/esengine/DeepSeek-Reasonix/blob/main/docs... They explain some of the the reasons why they have a better solution and why they are very opinionated >Automatic prefix caching activates only when the exact byte prefix of the previous request matches. Most agent loops reorder, rewrite, or inject fresh timestamps each turn — cache hit rate in practice: So they opt…
>Most agent loops reorder, rewrite, or inject fresh timestamps each turn
That's really surprising, since it'd defeat the whole point of KV caching. I mean I buy it considering how sloppily coded the harnesses seem to be, but this like obvious low hanging fruit.
I've also often wondered why LLMs aren't trained with a format of having a dedicated contextual system-instruction role at the _end_, which you could use to put context like current time or other misc stuff.
Re: DeepSeek reasonix, DeepSeek native coding agent with high caching and low cost
#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
there's laws on the books in China that says that every company operating in China must aid and abet the Chinese government in espionage against the rest of the world. given those facts, I find it deeply troubling to be using anything coming out of China, especially a program that runs in the context of a Linux terminal on a machine that might have something important on it. I'd argue it's a back door waiting to happ…
As a European I have to admit I am these days more worried about the US than China. See yesterday's article about the US government forcing Microsoft to give them lists of Dutch government officials. Utter madness. At least the Chinese mainly care about the money and power levers, the US about strange worlds of revenge and manipulation, trying to change or influence your government. E.g. which of the two countries ha…
As an Australian, I completely agree with every point in your response