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Omarchy Is Not A Distro

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Re: Omarchy Is Not A Distro

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Post by RandomGerm4n »

Even though I wouldn't really use something like that myself, I actually think it's a good thing when people share their dotfiles with others. Whether you call it a “distribution” or not is basically irrelevant, and I don't understand all the fuss about it.

However I would still generally advise against using Omarchy because the maintainer does not seem to place any importance on security. For example the default firewall configuration leaves the SSH port open and the number of failed login and sudo attempts before a timeout has been unnecessarily increased. Furthermore Omarchy installs some of the offered programs via a .sh script that is downloaded via curl rather than using a package manager like the one Arch already has. In addition Hannsen still refuses to sign his commits, which means it's only a matter of time before a supply chain attack occurs.

Re: Omarchy Is Not A Distro

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Post by soupbowl »

poly2it wrote: post #11

It is understandable to be frustrated at a project without technical merit gaining so much traction when, as in the author's words, "longstanding distros like Debian have struggled with funding and sponsorship for decades". However, I do feel the author fails to come up with any conclusion as to why there is such a disparity between interest in traditional distributions and this rice. I agree that it is almost suspic…

"It is understandable to be frustrated at a project without technical merit gaining so much traction"

Not really, seems kinda weird to be frustrated by an opensource project that people have decided to build a community around.

When POPos was just an Ubuntu fork with a few gnome extensions and a better nvidia installer, I guess you were upset it got traction also? Or is their enhanced nvidia bash script enough of technical merit to appease your righteous stance.

I wonder how you feel about a sponsored Kubuntu conference, you must look at the idea with disgust.

Re: Omarchy Is Not A Distro

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Post by ffaccount2 »

cauch wrote: post #46
hokumguru wrote: post #13

I’m sorry, but what is the actual definition of a distro? What makes Omarchy different than, say, Cachy which is also an opinionated DE and set of packages on top of Arch. There aren’t really any rules to what to find this or not. Just because something is more opinionated than other solutions doesn’t mean it’s invalid. In fact, I would say that that’s the primary reason people gravitate towards Omarchy. Many develop…

I don't think the discussion about "is it a distribution or not" is very interesting, but I think the discussion about "should we make clear that this _thing_ is just a bunch of config files rather than the usual work one would expect behind what was traditionally called linux distributions". And I know Omarchy is not the only one out there doing something similar, and that there is a spectrum. It is not a problem. T…

It's a way to distribute Linux (the kernel) and userland packages in a way you can install. Therefore it's a Linux distribution.

Re: Omarchy Is Not A Distro

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Post by queenkjuul »

epistasis wrote: post #19
poly2it wrote: post #11

It is understandable to be frustrated at a project without technical merit gaining so much traction when, as in the author's words, "longstanding distros like Debian have struggled with funding and sponsorship for decades". However, I do feel the author fails to come up with any conclusion as to why there is such a disparity between interest in traditional distributions and this rice. I agree that it is almost suspic…

Its rise is not suspicious to me at all, the author has tremendous reach influence in the developer community, that drives adoption easily. Omarchy was my first entry back into desktop Linux since the early 2000s, when I ran enlightenment. The promises of Omarchy are big, and the idea of somebody trying all the tons of available bits of desktop Linux and assembling their favorites is very compelling! I've since moved…

On cinnamon setting up a shortcut like that is about three mouse clicks

Re: Omarchy Is Not A Distro

#126

Post by soupbowl »

cauch wrote: post #111
andix wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The answer is: no, solving your problem was not the goal of the project. But the source code is public, you can extract the relevant scripts from the repo: https://github.com/basecamp/omarchy

This is not what I'm saying. I'm not saying that they should "solve my problem", I'm saying that their reputation should be reviewed negatively if they "create a distribution to solve a problem that has no reason to be solve by creating a distribution". Not that it is a very very bad thing, just that it shows that they are not really good at what they do.

'I'm saying that their reputation should be reviewed negatively if they "create a distribution to solve a problem that has no reason to be solve by creating a distribution".'

Why? People can do as they wish and you can use it or not.

Re: Omarchy Is Not A Distro

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Post by throwawaypath »

hkpack wrote: post #93
wrren wrote: post #43

We seem to have arrived at a set of assumptions that states that if a large number of people like something that we don’t, or don’t subscribe to some cultural norms that we doggedly adhere to, then there has to be something sinister afoot. The out of box experience with Omarchy is highly functional, aesthetically pleasing and challenges users to lean more on keyboard shortcuts than they’d typically be used to. That’s…

> then there has to be something sinister afoot. Not sinister, but just a simple strategy of a business to increase sales of his products (such as hey.com) as well as pushing his personal preferences (grok) to younger audience masquerading as being done for public good. It is just repulsive for people who see through this. But I think it is an OK business strategy which may be somewhat successful. Values of DHH and h…

>Not sinister, but just a simple strategy of a business to increase sales of his products (such as hey.com) as well as pushing his personal preferences (grok) to younger audience masquerading as being done for public good.

He has said multiple times Omarchy is his distro he designed for himself with his personal defaults. He's not masquerading anything, and what he's doing is being done for the public good, he's sharing his creation open and freely. He even documents how you can change those defaults to better fit you.

>Values of DHH and his businesses on one side and Linux community on the other are not very well aligned, so it will inevitably cause these kind of tensions.

You speak for yourself and possibly a small group of loud terminally online people. You do not speak for "the Linux community" as a whole. Omarchy users part of the Linux community. You do not get to define the community's values.

Re: Omarchy Is Not A Distro

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Post by epistasis »

queenkjuul wrote: post #125
epistasis wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its rise is not suspicious to me at all, the author has tremendous reach influence in the developer community, that drives adoption easily. Omarchy was my first entry back into desktop Linux since the early 2000s, when I ran enlightenment. The promises of Omarchy are big, and the idea of somebody trying all the tons of available bits of desktop Linux and assembling their favorites is very compelling! I've since moved…

On cinnamon setting up a shortcut like that is about three mouse clicks

Ah, but which three clocks? That's the rub.

LLMs make customization much easier, but the impetus has not yet been there for me.

Re: Omarchy Is Not A Distro

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Post by plorkyeran »

c-hendricks wrote: post #92
andrewjf wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quality in general seems to be going downhill, too. Frequently the desktop app and the safari extension won't be in sync and missing a recently added password, or doesn't show up on my other devices hours later. I still have no idea how the extension vs desktop app actually work together, or if they do at all. Sometimes 1password (safari extension) is "locked" - but the desktop app isn't locked? and No amount of clic…

Since the extension works flawlessly in all other browsers I've chalked it up to Safari extensions being a pain. But yes the Safari 1Password extension constantly shits The bed.

The publishing process for Safari extensions is painful, but otherwise it's not meaningfully different from Chromium extensions and there's no good reason for it to work worse in Safari.
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