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Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by dwa3592 »

rayiner wrote: post #585
abalashov wrote: post #377

This is insane. I cannot fathom how I, nor educated and talented people I know, could have possibly stayed in the US back in the day if this requirement had been in place then. Applying for a greencard while working on an H, J or O-class visa is extremely common. Far from a loophole, applying from inside the US is the only reasonable way to apply for a greencard. Depending on the country of origin, there may not even…

> Applying for a greencard while working on an H, J or O-class visa is extremely common. But it’s not supposed to be extremely common to apply for a green card on an H or J visa. Those visas are explicitly “nonimmigrant” visas for people “temporarily” in the U.S. who have “no intention of abandoning” their foreign residence. Read the statute: https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:8%20section:1... . It’s subs…

BS!! H is a dual intent visa. Do you have any idea how the law works?

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Post by eigenspace »

akkartik wrote: post #365
leokennis wrote: post #314

May the world extend Americans the hospitality that the US has extended to the world in the last year.

As a naturalized American citizen, I hope the world extends Americans who leave the same hospitality the US extended for decades before the last year.

As a non-American who has to live in a world that's deeply affected by the schizophrenic convulsions of your current government, I hope you stay in the USA and work on fixing your mess.

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Post by Longlius »

dboreham wrote: post #515
shell0x wrote: post #510

That makes sense to me. If you come on a non-immigrant visa, you can’t become a permanent resident easily. it’s a privilege, not a right. Other countries like the UAE also take a lot of foreign workers but do not want them become PRs or citizens and there are tons of people moving there for opportunities. The labor is needed but they don’t want these people permanently. You made your money, now leave

Nice way to destroy the US economy over the next few decades, if you consider who made the country rich since WW2.

The US had one of the most restrictive immigration systems in the world up until 1965 and it did not see significant immigration until the 1980s.

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Post by Longlius »

ianm218 wrote: post #368
didgetmaster wrote: post #325

The whole immigration argument basically boils down to two schools of thought. 1) Those who believe that every human born on this planet has a basic right to move to and live in, any country that they want. 2) Those who believe that the people who are currently citizens of countries around the world, have the right to set strict restrictions on who is allowed to move there. These two schools are fundamentally at odds…

This simplification is very small. #2 is almost literally self evidently true. Most of the disagreement is where a given country should be on the spectrum of zero immigration and fully open immigration. You can know we have the right to set strict regulations, and also object to driving smart hardworking people away from your country for no reason.

>You can know we have the right to set strict regulations, and also object to driving smart hardworking people away from your country for no reason.

But the crux of the problem is this - many of the immigrants we've been sold on as being "smart hardworking people" have not been that and often been the opposite. Your side seems incapable of grappling with the fact that it has fundamentally lost the trust of the electorate on this issue and seems entirely uninterested in doing anything to regain this trust by overhauling the way we filter prospective immigrants.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

array_key_first wrote: post #719
testing22321 wrote: post #655

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t want to defend the cure administration, but it’s very common and normal for a country to require a person to leave to change status. Every time my Canadian work visa expired I had to drive over the border, enter the US, turn around and drive back to start the new one. The border guards call it “flag-poling” because you do a U turn around the flag pole. When I went from work visa to permanent resident I had to…

Okay but this has not been the case in the US and everyone knows that. We can try to make things up to rationalize why this being done. Or, we can be honest, and acknowledge these actors have proven themselves to be irrational. What is happening is that an end-goal is desired, and then the trump administration is working backwards to make it happen.

What are the Canadians up to and why are they doing it?

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Post by nroets »

drstewart wrote: post #862
skeeter2020 wrote: post #633

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adjustment of Status has been on the books since the start in the 1950's, and was greatly expanded leading into what might turn out to be the high point of the country in the late 90's and early 2000's.

Deregulation and union busting greatly expanded in the 80s leading to the high point of the country in the 90s as well.

And my theory is that the US only looked good because there were no competitors: Break up of the Soviet Union left the constituents without economies of scale. Similarly European markets were still desperately fragmented. China was growing, but from a low base.

So capital flooded to the US.

So we all have our own theories.

The real question remains "What's best for America right now ?"

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Post by kaycey2022 »

fredrb wrote: post #66

This news has to be read alongside the immigration visa emission pause for 75 countries by DOS[1]. Since USCIS is blocking Adjustment of Status, and the Department of State is blocking green card emission for citizens of 75 countries, this means that if you are from the following countries you are effectively banned from getting a Green Card: Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, Antigua and Barbuda, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Ba…

We carry the seeds of our own destruction they say. So this is a good thing. America should take care of their own citizens first. It is a good thing. Also there is a school of thought that says prosperity of any country is primarily a function of the kind of citizens they have, and how the country is able to leverage the intellect of its citizens. An important thesis of recent discussions of American prosperity is that a lot of it has been built up by the immigration of enterprising people into the US. So it can be argued that American prosperity is at the cost of prosperity of the rest of the world. And most of these things have compounding effects. The more intellect gathers in the US, that country can leap frog into the future at a far more vigorous pace than other could if most of these people were left inside their own countries. But in any case, these current events give us an opportunity into testing the thesis of American prosperity. Either balance will be brought to how global prosperity is distributed, or finally a country will be able to take care of its own citizens first. Either way this is all a great thing.

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Post by pixel_popping »

danaris wrote: post #139
KingMachiavelli wrote: post #97

Absurd, currently trying to figure out how to sponsor my wife and now this. The wording seems to imply that even those here on valid non-immigrant visas (F1) would need to apply via their home country. It doesn’t help that I130+I485 (AOS) could take over a year to process? If you have filed I485 and they fail to process it before your current visa expires (D/S ends like F1 OPT). Then what? You just have to leave, aba…

> I wish they would just have a simple fast lane for the 100% legal, non-complicated case. The explicit purpose of this is to reduce legal immigration, and reduce the number of people becoming citizens. There is no world in which the same racist, fascist administration doing this does anything remotely like what you describe.

I'm not from the US, but isn't it like almost every country in the world? Reducing immigration when it's already too much does increase job availability for locals (which should always be priority imo). Immigration to a country is a privilege, not really a right, but again I don't really know about the US, I just know that like Emigrating to Japan permanently or like in Dubai getting citizenship is very difficult and it does sound normal to me, why should it be easy? You want ultra motivated potential citizens, not the ones that just want to come for a few years to improve their CV or just pile up savings and then bail, they don't bring anything to the country as they'll not spend in the long-term within the US and will not really assimilate as well.

I don't think this is "racist", even Europeans are in the same boat to apply as far as I know, those are mostly white, I don't think racist is the right term here. Isn't America already heavily mixed?

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Post by rcxdude »

hellojesus wrote: post #192
cogman10 wrote: post #165

So much of the US immigration process is built around punishing and exploiting. The primary reason for the strong border is allowing farms and construction companies to find cheap labor which can't complain about mistreatment. It helps that a decent portion of the population hates and/or is fearful anyone different from themselves. That is what's allowed for these even more draconian and brutal measures.

This is the part that is the wildest to me. The current system seems to generate a collection of second-class citizens: people we openly rely on for labor but that have no recourse if they're exploited and no regulatory protections such as minimum wage (even though I argue against min wage, if we're going to have it, have it!). My personal preference would be to allow nearly unlimited legal immigration but strip welf…

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Post by pixel_popping »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #834
fredrb wrote: post #66

This news has to be read alongside the immigration visa emission pause for 75 countries by DOS[1]. Since USCIS is blocking Adjustment of Status, and the Department of State is blocking green card emission for citizens of 75 countries, this means that if you are from the following countries you are effectively banned from getting a Green Card: Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, Antigua and Barbuda, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Ba…

Immigrating to the usa is not a right. It is granted. I don't see the problem, and I'm not even American or Trump supporter. It just makes sense.

That's what I just commented as well, I'm not from the US but that seems so obvious, in which country it's a "right" of some sort? It should definitely be hard, maybe even very hard to emigrate there, to show strong commitment and intent and most especially you should have something special to bring to the table knowing you didn't abed by the same rules growing-up (not the same level of education necessarily and so-on) which is a bit unfair for local citizens.

I don't really understand the position of many comments which seems to be somehow "We should be welcoming the world" but like why? Why wouldn't you prioritize your citizens first especially seeing the job loss lately?

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