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Kindle loyalists scramble as Amazon turns page on old e-readers

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Re: Kindle loyalists scramble as Amazon turns page on old e-readers

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Post by lukan »

lwhi wrote: post #226
andrekandre wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Possibly some people rely on these devices and it adversely impact their joy and livelihood when support is ended. This happens over and over again in tech. its true and i agree with you as a user on the other hand, some software gets harder and costlier to support the longer its out there (think spec changes, security issues, updates in law etc), and even paying a normal subscription for it can cause roi to go neg…

This reminds me of the time we needed to support IE6.

We only had to, because some buerocrats certified IE6 for some processes and did not bother to update with the real world that moved beyond that piece of garbage. So ... thanks for bringing back bad memories.

Re: Kindle loyalists scramble as Amazon turns page on old e-readers

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Post by mystraline »

Aloha wrote: post #187
_doctor_love wrote: post #136

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(This may be a very ungenerous reading of your comment, so my apologies if this is not what you mean.) The phrase that jumps out at me is: > being able to cut off support for a 12 year systems would make my life much more full of joy I think this is a nearly-poetical capturing of the core problem. The focus is on the joy and well-being of the maintainer, not the impact to all the people who will be impacted by this c…

How long should a hardware and software product be expected to last? Try estimating doing win11 updates on a 20 year old piece of delphi spftware with hardware full go custom ASICs be expected to lsat?

> How long should a hardware and software product be expected to last?

Until it dies due to unintentional software or hardware defect.

NOT when it is sabotaged by the manufacturer.

Re: Kindle loyalists scramble as Amazon turns page on old e-readers

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Post by u_fucking_dork »

Flere-Imsaho wrote: post #190
kuboble wrote: post #8

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My kindle from 2012 used to have ads you needed to pay for to get rid of. It was sold as separate product with or without ads at a time. I had one with ads. I keep it offline in airplane mode permanently from 2016 and haven't seen a single ad in a long long time.

The fact that having ads on a product designed for reading is so dystopian. A great new term has recently entered the lexicon to describe this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification

Have you never read a magazine or a newspaper? Ads have been in products designed for reading for your entire life.

And it’s an ad on the lock screen, not an ad interrupting your reading. I buy the ad free versions though.

Re: Kindle loyalists scramble as Amazon turns page on old e-readers

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Post by u_fucking_dork »

avazhi wrote: post #70
IshKebab wrote: post #12

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I have a similar one and I never bothered to pay to get rid of the ads or keep it in aeroplane mode. The ads are only shown while it's off, they're static black and white images, and 99% of the time they're for books. Totally unobjectionable. If they were in the actual UI and for stuff like cars and perfume I might mind, but they aren't so I never cared.

> The ads are only shown while it's off, they're static black and white images, and 99% of the time they're for books. Totally unobjectionable Speak for yourself. Aside from the principle, some of us don’t want to be advertised to in the comfort of our own home/bed/while we’re camping or whatever. Ads don’t have to be actively flashing, spaz-inducing insanity to be objectionable. Not to mention that by definition an…

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Re: Kindle loyalists scramble as Amazon turns page on old e-readers

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Post by mystraline »

segmondy wrote: post #222
Aloha wrote: post #107

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14 years of support for a device is pretty incredible.

you think? i can bring up my 40 yrs old NES and it works every time.

That was before the public everything-connected internet era.

Now, even Nintendo destroys your hardware if you do something they dont like.

Like every one of these terrible companies, Im 100% sure that if they could update the NES firmware to destroy the console or sabotage it, they would.

Re: Kindle loyalists scramble as Amazon turns page on old e-readers

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Post by Shorel »

phil21 wrote: post #152
solenoid0937 wrote: post #117

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Yeah, I do not really see the problem here. These devices are ancient and the panic is unwarranted. The older Kindles can be jailbroken if anyone cares that much. I think there is a smaller argument that the newer Kindles don't feel as nice. The Oasis was the pinnacle of e-reader hardware design, and it'll be sad when they stop supporting it, but it certainly won't be worthy of a news article or this kind of reaction…

> The Oasis was the pinnacle of e-reader hardware design, and it'll be sad when they stop supporting it, but it certainly won't be worthy of a news article or this kind of reaction. To me it would. If they don't have a similar device released by that time. It would get me motivated enough to finally de-DRM all the books on my device (or pirate copies I can't otherwise decrypt) and copy them to a third party something…

Isn't it already too late for that? The devices were made obsolete in part to disable known methods of de-DRM kindle books. It is quite possible you won't be able to de-DRM anything if you try right now, and any point in the future.

Re: Kindle loyalists scramble as Amazon turns page on old e-readers

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Post by awakeasleep »

mackross wrote: post #220

moved to kobo (the nice one with colour screen) with calibre web running behind a cloudflare tunnel, getting books direct through smallest publishers/authors. Adds the tiniest bit of friction in book acquisition but reading experience, battery life, everything else shits on my kindle experience (and I’ve owned every one).

Please mention that color e-ink has significantly lower contrast than black and white. I thought I did enough research, but was bitten by this caveat- I would trade basically any feature for more contrast.

On the plus side, with your setup, you can have the lowest friction ebook experience possible on planet Earth by installing koreader, and then the z-library plugin.

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Post by landgenoot »

Zambyte wrote: post #183

I'm writing this reply on a Daylight Computer. I can't reco it enough. It's been my primary mobile device over a year now

Mine doesn't remember the last opened books when the date isn't correct. Unfortunately you cannot set the date manually.

Re: Kindle loyalists scramble as Amazon turns page on old e-readers

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Post by delecti »

swiftcoder wrote: post #225
ladyanita22 wrote: post #191

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But you can still sideload them, right?

If you don't allow the device to connect to the internet, yes. Kindles are somewhat infamous for updates that wipe storage if they think you are side loading pirate ebooks

> Kindles are somewhat infamous for updates that wipe storage if they think you are side loading pirate ebooks

Source? I've never heard of this, and I used to work there, including building the OS from source (though my contributions to the OS were pretty minimal). If you just put a .mobi file onto the storage, how does it have any idea where it came from?

> If you don't allow the device to connect to the internet, yes

Why is that a problem for a device which has been EoL'd?

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