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Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by angry_octet »

thallium205 wrote: post #543
abalashov wrote: post #377

This is insane. I cannot fathom how I, nor educated and talented people I know, could have possibly stayed in the US back in the day if this requirement had been in place then. Applying for a greencard while working on an H, J or O-class visa is extremely common. Far from a loophole, applying from inside the US is the only reasonable way to apply for a greencard. Depending on the country of origin, there may not even…

The UK, the EU, Japan, and Australia all have identical rules to this policy.

Australian immigration rules are definitely not like this.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

xtracto wrote: post #299
gck1 wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm from one of the countries on the list. Not only is there no way to legally immigrate to the US anymore, but just visiting US once requires me to give an interest-free loan of up to $15k to the US government. Yeah, no, thank you. I never considered illegal immigration, nor will I ever - I value predictable outcomes. But looking at these new rules, I can't help but think that it really punishes people who want to p…

My country is not in the list (Mexico, not that we need to... Americans hate us), but I just cannot comprehend why people would go through all the pain for the immigration process in the US. Actually, it kind of make sense why only the most desperate try to get into the US , people who have something to lose are naturally repelled by the bureaucracy.

>Americans hate us

I don't mean to minimize any negative experiences you've had. But as a lifelong American, I've never heard anyone make a negative comment about Mexicans. Even in online spaces like X where there is a lot of racism, it's usually not directed at Mexicans.

If you look at Trump's famous comment about Mexicans in his speech from 2015, he actually points to Mexicans in the audience and refers to them as Mexico's best people. The media cut that part out, of course. (I'm not a Trump supporter.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apjNfkysjbM#t=3m25s

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by refurb »

qingcharles wrote: post #468
hvb2 wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you're in your visa or green card process it's not uncommon to be advised not to travel out of the country... Yep. You're kind of in jail. It doesn't mean that you cannot, it just means that it might complicate your already complicated application. So if a family member dies, maybe... But that's it

I've known people who left for a brief period during the GC process on emergency basis and then were put into a literal jail on their return to the USA.

If you end up in “jail” for leaving the country on a green card then clearly you made a mistake.

The process is very straightforward - without advanced parole or a valid visa you can’t come back in.

Or if you’ve violated immigration or criminal law you run the risk of being detained.

But that’s how the system is supposed to work.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by culopatin »

seshagiric wrote: post #301

This is just reckless without any responsibility. A number of people, especially in tech sector, legally stay in US while their GC is being processed. They have kids born in the USA. If such people were to leave USA to seek green card: - the kids must first get visas to their parent's countries - once reaching the other country, consular offices now have multi year wait lines for getting an appointment with a office…

Look, I’m an immigrant. You know the risks you take when you come to the US on a non immigrant visa. We all choose to play the game and nothing is guaranteed. I would’ve considered reckless to have a kid in the US knowing that my status is not stable without having an alternative plan. We need to face the facts and stop acting like we immigrants were victims of some bait and switch and must be protected from any fallout of this process. The rules of the game are transparent.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by xxs »

thallium205 wrote: post #543
abalashov wrote: post #377

This is insane. I cannot fathom how I, nor educated and talented people I know, could have possibly stayed in the US back in the day if this requirement had been in place then. Applying for a greencard while working on an H, J or O-class visa is extremely common. Far from a loophole, applying from inside the US is the only reasonable way to apply for a greencard. Depending on the country of origin, there may not even…

The UK, the EU, Japan, and Australia all have identical rules to this policy.

Posting comments in bad faith is not funny, e.g. EU permanent residency requires 5 (or 7) years to have been resident already.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by rplnt »

testing22321 wrote: post #655
varenc wrote: post #443

The internal memo on this is interesting: https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/memos/PM-... Essentially they're trying to change the rules by aggressive re-interpretation of the existing legal framework, and not actually changing any laws or regulations. I don't follow all of it, but it seems to be arguing that the "ordinary consular process", leaving the country and applying for a visa from abroad, is…

I don’t want to defend the cure administration, but it’s very common and normal for a country to require a person to leave to change status. Every time my Canadian work visa expired I had to drive over the border, enter the US, turn around and drive back to start the new one. The border guards call it “flag-poling” because you do a U turn around the flag pole. When I went from work visa to permanent resident I had to…

You say "normal" and then add the other paragraphs, which are very clearly not normal. Common maybe.

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Post by warumdarum »

thenoblesunfish wrote: post #798

To make sure this opinion is here: The fact that they get to make this announcement is probably the biggest upside. Their base loves it. It makes people think they are doing something. There is an asymmetry in that if they quietly roll this back or it's blocked in court, it will generate only a tiny fraction of the publicity. Probably not too controversial here to say that the economy wants these immigrants so good b…

Its the same model china has? Was one of the reasons the enclaves flourished (like hong kong).

And i dont get it, no actually i get cognitive dissonance whiplashfrom all that contradicting messaging. Millions of jobs will go due to AI, but millions of those unemployed must stay in addition?

In a country thats constantly portrayed as the worst on earth but constantly attracts the wretched of the earth. Who want the opportunities but not the melting pot. The recipe that produced the economy that allowed such luxuries must go, but those who detest that system must stay. If a set of opinions has no intersect why does it make a sound ?

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Post by henry2023 »

letsberealman wrote: post #506

On a related topic, the number of H1Bs brought in by big tech has been insane. Have you seen mtn view castro lately?

The biggest industry in the world is importing top talent from around the world? Who’d have guessed?

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by noobermin »

I will say, there are a non-zero number of people who were rooting for Trump and the American right wing in general who are now surprised the fascists are turning on them. I don't know, it's hard to have sympathy for some of you.

Did you really think the whites saw you as one of them? Were you so naive? Because you were "educated"? Because you worked in Silicon Valley or SF (you know California, the same places that Trump ranted against for years because they never voted for him)?

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by SCdF »

freediver wrote: post #691
itkovian_ wrote: post #353

The US isn’t what it used to be. It’s definitely not the best place in the world to live for quality of life, on basically any metric. The requirement of being permanently obligated to pay us taxes on global income, if you have any kind of global mobility, is not worth it when you look at the situation objectively. The US is the only country that requires this, and signing up is voluntarily. So while US immigration c…

> The US isn’t what it used to be. It’s definitely not the best place in the world to live for quality of life, on basically any metric. There is actually a list with metrics https://greatcountry.org (disclaimer: my pet project) #27th

Interesting project!

I would say some of the indicators are a little odd.

Some of them are questionable in terms of capturing the spirit of the idea ("violent crime" being the same in the UK and the US is a surprising one to me for example. It's capturing serious assault per 100k, but is then not considering murder as violent crime. You have murder later, but maybe combine / group them?).

Some are confusing because they are not clear politically: everyone wants less violent crime, but I don't know your politics and so have no idea which direction you have weighted net migration and asylum/capita.

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