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Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by jlaternman »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #40
thomastraum wrote: post #23

fantastic work. PSA: if you still think its not the time to fight for your rights for the status quo in privacy you will come to regret it. If you are the type of person who reads this type of news and thinks: "cool the system is working, it'll sort itself out" you will come to regret it. you will need to become more active or it will be taken away

I wish people who state "you have to fight" also said how. The extreme majority of people has no fucking clue about how to act about anything, and it's definitely the biggest blocker.

One of the biggest forces is simply the voice of the people, as demonstrated in threads like this. Note how NordVPN cited growing public sentiment against taking half the internet down in Spain in an attempt to stop streams during games.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by regexorcist »

lifestyleguru wrote: post #35

Fuck European football and everything about it. Hopefully this year's world cup will be absolute unpopular failure.

No, fuck LaLiga. UCL always delivers for us fans and so does the world cup. It'll be extremely popular as always, for good reason.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by [deleted] »

breppp wrote: post #61
ktallett wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean other than Berlin, Malmö, Paris, London, Munich, and many others. Europe doesn't have so many huge companies but that's not a bad thing. We do have a lot of companies doing key work that may benefit society as a whole.

While there are outliers, most of the European economy is Spain rather than Sweden The European economy is still largely the same as pre-WW2, heavy machineries, cars, chemicals and these are becoming less relevant with Chinese competition. However, the move to tech never materialized like in the US, so no surprise when soccer becomes more important than anything else, it's the only long term viable export in bleak pl…

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Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by pigggg »

embedding-shape wrote: post #24
swiftcoder wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cloudflare seems to be the most common victim, but I've seen Fastly get banned out as well (which seems to be what GitHub uses as their CDN in the EU)

AFAIK, it's literally exclusively Cloudflare for me, never seen anything else (IP) banned, just the good old DNS-based blocking for some other crap, but maybe it's because of my ISP. What ISP are you on? They all seem to be responding and doing this differently.

Can confirm they've null routed various cloud providers IPs - with no notification and when folks reached out to the telecoms it took them 2 weeks of impact before they responded (even when provided with sufficient data of specific IPs getting dropped in their network).

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by troad »

swiftcoder wrote: post #2

> “Inside Spain, the consequences of indiscriminate IP blocking have become almost impossible to ignore,” NordVPN writes Too fucking right. It is beyond tiresome to fire up the laptop and wonder whether I'll need a VPN to access GitHub today

I just permanently live on a US VPN these days. [0] Not Spanish, but my own country has started overregulating the web, and it seems prudent to develop a long track record of appearing as a US based user to the various online fiefdoms, rather than needing to do it all at once once they pass some digital ID mandate or other nonsense.

Not that there's any complete guarantee that the US web will forever remain open and free (no such guarantee is possible), but it's significantly more likely there than here. The state of the open web worldwide is pretty depressing. :(

[0] Mullvad, not the bad ones. Though with mandatory ISP-level retention of browser history here, pretty much anything is an improvement for privacy.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by rollulus »

troad wrote: post #95
swiftcoder wrote: post #2

> “Inside Spain, the consequences of indiscriminate IP blocking have become almost impossible to ignore,” NordVPN writes Too fucking right. It is beyond tiresome to fire up the laptop and wonder whether I'll need a VPN to access GitHub today

I just permanently live on a US VPN these days. [0] Not Spanish, but my own country has started overregulating the web, and it seems prudent to develop a long track record of appearing as a US based user to the various online fiefdoms, rather than needing to do it all at once once they pass some digital ID mandate or other nonsense. Not that there's any complete guarantee that the US web will forever remain open and…

Mullvad is Swedish, right?

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by troad »

rollulus wrote: post #96
troad wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just permanently live on a US VPN these days. [0] Not Spanish, but my own country has started overregulating the web, and it seems prudent to develop a long track record of appearing as a US based user to the various online fiefdoms, rather than needing to do it all at once once they pass some digital ID mandate or other nonsense. Not that there's any complete guarantee that the US web will forever remain open and…

Mullvad is Swedish, right?

I believe so! Though with a healthy set of global endpoints to route through, naturally.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by selfhoster1312 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #26
thomastraum wrote: post #23

fantastic work. PSA: if you still think its not the time to fight for your rights for the status quo in privacy you will come to regret it. If you are the type of person who reads this type of news and thinks: "cool the system is working, it'll sort itself out" you will come to regret it. you will need to become more active or it will be taken away

Literally it'll sort itself out, as the bans are unconstitutional and more, law just takes long time and we have other shit to sort out before starting to panic about 3-5 Cloudflare IPs getting banned for 2 hours a week...

Law enforcement killing citizens is also unconstitutional, and so was slavery in many countries. What a piece of paper says is far from reality.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by fsflover »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #40
thomastraum wrote: post #23

fantastic work. PSA: if you still think its not the time to fight for your rights for the status quo in privacy you will come to regret it. If you are the type of person who reads this type of news and thinks: "cool the system is working, it'll sort itself out" you will come to regret it. you will need to become more active or it will be taken away

I wish people who state "you have to fight" also said how. The extreme majority of people has no fucking clue about how to act about anything, and it's definitely the biggest blocker.

One way is to support https://eff.org or https://edri.org.

Re: Spanish court declines to fine NordVPN over LaLiga piracy blocking order

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Post by SpaceNugget »

bromuro wrote: post #66
breppp wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While there are outliers, most of the European economy is Spain rather than Sweden The European economy is still largely the same as pre-WW2, heavy machineries, cars, chemicals and these are becoming less relevant with Chinese competition. However, the move to tech never materialized like in the US, so no surprise when soccer becomes more important than anything else, it's the only long term viable export in bleak pl…

In Spain soccer is culturally important - not economically central. Everyone in the world knows teams like Real Madrid or Barcelona. On the other side Spain is home of major telecom and banking multinationals, high-speed rail networks, renewable energy... the startup ecosystem is strong in many cities. Also european countries are deeply competitive in areas like industrial automation, aerospace, pharmaceuticals, semi…

> Everyone in the world knows teams like Real Madrid or Barcelona

I promise you that if you go canvas a random selection of North Americans you would be astonished at how many do not recognize "Barcelona" as anything but a city. Football is really not very popular there. Though in recent years it is slowly becoming a bit more watched.

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