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Toxic chemical leak at a manufacturing facility in Orange County

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Re: Toxic chemical leak at a manufacturing facility in Orange County

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Worth mentioning that in February the EPA proposed to severely deregulate chemical facilities like the one in Garden Grove, gutting third-party audits, hazard reporting, and public transparency requirements. They titled it the ‘Common Sense Approach to Chemical Accident Prevention.’ The public comment window closed just eleven days before this disaster… https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2026-02-24/pdf/2026-0...

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I appreciate the mention of relevant and recent regulation proposals that may affect how future events like this are handled. I understand it did not cause this event but appreciate nonetheless.

Re: Toxic chemical leak at a manufacturing facility in Orange County

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post #6

Worth mentioning that in February the EPA proposed to severely deregulate chemical facilities like the one in Garden Grove, gutting third-party audits, hazard reporting, and public transparency requirements. They titled it the ‘Common Sense Approach to Chemical Accident Prevention.’ The public comment window closed just eleven days before this disaster… https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2026-02-24/pdf/2026-0...

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Re: Toxic chemical leak at a manufacturing facility in Orange County

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, what this administration calls common sense is more like dumbass sense than anything else. On almost every level.

To zoom out, there’s a HUGE percentage of the US who uses “common sense” as a catch-all excuse to end all discussion. In the debates I watch, they typically don’t have the mental capacity to steel man the opposition’s position so they can’t comprehend that someone else has a different intuition / “common sense” than them. Beyond that, “common sense” has become a dog whistle to both virtual signal / vice signal to lik…

IME “common sense” is code for “we don’t need to listen to experts about this”

Re: Toxic chemical leak at a manufacturing facility in Orange County

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post #6

Worth mentioning that in February the EPA proposed to severely deregulate chemical facilities like the one in Garden Grove, gutting third-party audits, hazard reporting, and public transparency requirements. They titled it the ‘Common Sense Approach to Chemical Accident Prevention.’ The public comment window closed just eleven days before this disaster… https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2026-02-24/pdf/2026-0...

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Re: Toxic chemical leak at a manufacturing facility in Orange County

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Why can’t they drill it and pipe it off into some drainage pipe for cooling or collecting in trucks? Divide and conquer

Drill = spark = boom = nasty stuff all over surrounding area

Righti didn’t realize It was explosive like that but it really is

Flash point 2 °C (36 °F; 275 K) Autoignition temperature 435 °C (815 °F; 708 K) Explosive limits 1.7%-8.2%

Drilling is too risky then. What about dumping liquid nitrogen on the thing until it’s doused?

Re: Toxic chemical leak at a manufacturing facility in Orange County

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The plant has been around since at least the 1970s. At the time it likely was on the edge of town, but through 50 years of urban sprawl, the town grew around it. It may be even older than that. My source for the age of the site is this 1970 NASA ALSEP supplier list (from the moon program!), which lists the address as an approved manufacturer on page 38: https://www.lpi.usra.edu/lunar/ALSEP/pdf/31111000671279.pdf

Surely they've had to get new permits over time as their operations changed? And why didn't the presence of the plant prevent the town from growing around it? There's a home 430 feet away from it. At that point you didn't even try to create a buffer zone.

This attitude is why all our manufacturing moved to China.

Why is the factory's fault that people built houses right up to the edge of of the industrial site? Are you seriously suggesting they should have been shut down because people decided to build houses near an established industrial plant?

Re: Toxic chemical leak at a manufacturing facility in Orange County

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I love how the current title of this post just assumes that everyone lives in California. There are other "Orange County"s in the U.S.

It used to say CA which is even worse.. given that's a country code (not where this Orange County is), and also means various things in other countries.. the state of California for people who live in the US, for example. What are you thinking; US-CA-OC? (We're starting to look a little ISO)

Use the nearest airport code with passenger service? SNA
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