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Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by harrall »

joe_mamba wrote: post #549
cloche wrote: post #511

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, I think this is the point. They want to push the needle so that even legal immigration is restricted or difficult (unless you happen to pay them directly) https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/23/us/politics/trump-legal-i...

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That’s like saying the free pizza parties are draining the company’s resources and so we need to cut them.

The pizza parties ARE indeed draining the company, but it’s so minor and ultimately spending your big brain on cutting pizza parties is diverting attention from your real problems that led to this point.

I don’t support illegal immigration but it has little to do with our current major problems. It’s just a political tool to distract the voter.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by taytus »

pixelatedindex wrote: post #359
esalman wrote: post #280

I received my green card in 2023 and I have mixed emotions. On one hand, I'm so relieved that I have been able to dodge everything that the administration has been throwing at immigrant (legal and illegal alike), trying to see what sticks, like mass deportations, border wall expansion, visa restrictions, asylum crackdown, H-1B cuts, and chain Migration Ban. On the other hand, we cannot apply for citizenship for 3 mor…

> and paid over $100,000 in taxes last year alone Genuinely curious, what does taxes have to do with it? Everyone pays taxes, legal or illegal in some form. I don’t think paying your dues should make you more likely to get through the pipeline. After all, you paid those taxes because you made good money, which is what people come here for.

Signaling.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by rayiner »

abalashov wrote: post #550
radsj wrote: post #519

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it applies to folks on H or L visas. Wording from the site: "Nonimmigrants, like students, temporary workers, or people on tourist visas, come to the U.S. for a short time and for a specific purpose. Our system is designed for them to leave when their visit is over. Their visit should not function as the first step in the Green Card process. "

I'm not sure I share your optimism. What is a worker on an H-class visa, if not a "temporary worker"? I read this with the assumption that "nonimmigrant visa" applies to every category of visa listed here under "Nonimmigrant Visa Categories": https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/visa-inf...

A “non-immigrant” is everything under 8 USC 1101(a)(15): https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:8%20section:1...

Includes H and J. The letters used to refer to those visas comes from the subsections under 1101(a)(15)

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Post by dilyevsky »

jmyeet wrote: post #356
scottyeager wrote: post #169

Refusing future applications to adjust status would be one thing (still wrong, in my opinion). The fact that they are canceling pending applications is simply evil. There will be so much unnecessary anguish and expense. I really feel for anybody who is now learning they will have to leave and wait years to come live in the US with their spouse, due to overstayed visas which were supposed to be forgiven under the stat…

This administration is doing things that are illegal. They're getting sued and they're losing. Constantly. But that's expensive and time-consuming for immigrants, which I guess is the point. USCIS doesn't have the authority to just unlawfully deny a case. It can be challenged in court. They can make your life really difficult. For example, they can put you in removal proceedings if you're an overstayer with a petitio…

What’s different is in this case is applicants have years of status “runway” and can just sue or wait it out so to speak. I’m betting they will have to walk some of it back

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Post by rayiner »

TehCorwiz wrote: post #575
abalashov wrote: post #377

This is insane. I cannot fathom how I, nor educated and talented people I know, could have possibly stayed in the US back in the day if this requirement had been in place then. Applying for a greencard while working on an H, J or O-class visa is extremely common. Far from a loophole, applying from inside the US is the only reasonable way to apply for a greencard. Depending on the country of origin, there may not even…

The cruelty is the point. They want people to leave so they can refuse to allow them back in. That's the goal. It's not more complicated than that.

If you come to the U.S. on a visa that’s explicitly labeled a “nonimmigrant” visa for people who are “coming temporarily to the United States to perform services,” then it’s not “cruel” to actually enforce that. Those words are literally in the law.

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Post by manbart »

joe_mamba wrote: post #549
cloche wrote: post #511

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, I think this is the point. They want to push the needle so that even legal immigration is restricted or difficult (unless you happen to pay them directly) https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/23/us/politics/trump-legal-i...

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One reason is population growth. Our current system is based on the assumption of an ever growing labor force to fund things like social security, medicare, fund our massive debt, and evrything else we want the government to spend on. In their current form, these systems will break down in the face of population decline. Since existing Americans are having fewer kids and trending downward, immigration is the only way to sustain the model.

This doesn't neccisarily.mean the is the best, or even desireable, way to structure society, but I also think the political system is dysfunctional to the point major change is currently impossible

I didnt down vote you by the way. Just throwing out a counter point to consider

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Post by skulk »

caminante wrote: post #469
tty456 wrote: post #410

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The "anti illegal immigrant" crowd ignores, or more likely supports, the systemic racism built into the current immigration system put in place by racist lawmakers throughout the country. This new policy is no different and is a trap to kick out and never accept back more non-white immigrants.

How is a scheme systemically racist when >50% of 13M green card holders are from Latin/South America and Caribbean? You can't be serious.

I'm having trouble taking your comment seriously if you think that one number is enough to disprove systemic racism.

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Post by ventana »

radsj wrote: post #519
abalashov wrote: post #377

This is insane. I cannot fathom how I, nor educated and talented people I know, could have possibly stayed in the US back in the day if this requirement had been in place then. Applying for a greencard while working on an H, J or O-class visa is extremely common. Far from a loophole, applying from inside the US is the only reasonable way to apply for a greencard. Depending on the country of origin, there may not even…

I don't think it applies to folks on H or L visas. Wording from the site: "Nonimmigrants, like students, temporary workers, or people on tourist visas, come to the U.S. for a short time and for a specific purpose. Our system is designed for them to leave when their visit is over. Their visit should not function as the first step in the Green Card process. "

I originally thought that this new regulation would only apply to, say, B-1/B-2 visitors applying to adjust their status (which is how some immigrants bring their parents, for example), but nowhere in the policy it explicitly excludes so called “dual intent” visas (H or L), so given the whole anti-immigration approach of the current administration, I won't be surprised if it turns out that the regular work visa pathway to green card is affected by that too.

Edit: the policy actually indeed mentions dual intent categories:

> USCIS reminds its officers that applying for adjustment of status is not inconsistent with simultaneously maintaining nonimmigrant status in a category with dual intent.

It does it in a way that will, for sure, cause confusion though.

[1]: https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/memos/PM-...

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Post by FarmerPotato »

geertj wrote: post #528

There does appear to be a limited walk back for dual intent visa holders (H1B and L1) “A spokesperson for US Citizenship and Immigration Services, however, told Semafor that H1-B visa holders and high-skilled workers might not be affected in the near term.” Source: https://www.semafor.com/article/05/22/2026/trump-orders-gree...

I see the article argues that this new policy is NOT following the law ("faithfully executing Congress' intent".)

So any further spokes-person-ment is just more of the same -- no rule of law, just what we decide today or tomorrow.

Everything set by precedent from 1952-present is out the window.

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Post by rayiner »

davidw wrote: post #574
cloche wrote: post #511

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, I think this is the point. They want to push the needle so that even legal immigration is restricted or difficult (unless you happen to pay them directly) https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/23/us/politics/trump-legal-i...

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Thinking that immigration should be slow enough that they can be thoroughly assimilated before they change American culture isn’t “hating immigrants.”

Many of the people doing this are themselves children of immigrants. They recognize that individual immigrants can be fine but the large-scale flow of immigrants can create undesirable changes.[1] Don’t assume people are irrational just because they don’t agree with you.

[1] Trump narrowly won the naturalized citizen vote. Saying “you wouldn’t want America to become more like the place you left” is a compelling message to many immigrants.

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