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Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by brandelune »

thallium205 wrote: post #543
abalashov wrote: post #377

This is insane. I cannot fathom how I, nor educated and talented people I know, could have possibly stayed in the US back in the day if this requirement had been in place then. Applying for a greencard while working on an H, J or O-class visa is extremely common. Far from a loophole, applying from inside the US is the only reasonable way to apply for a greencard. Depending on the country of origin, there may not even…

The UK, the EU, Japan, and Australia all have identical rules to this policy.

You apply for permanent residency in Japan from Japan.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by salthearth »

joe_mamba wrote: post #549
cloche wrote: post #511

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, I think this is the point. They want to push the needle so that even legal immigration is restricted or difficult (unless you happen to pay them directly) https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/23/us/politics/trump-legal-i...

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You can't complain immigrants are flooding your boarder while your government is actively working on destabilizing the world. Such arguments are extremely malicious and hence why everyone is downvoting you.

You want a hermitical state, it has to go both ways. You lock yourself in, but also stop fucking around with military and non-military interventions on every contanent on earth.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by sega_sai »

thallium205 wrote: post #543
abalashov wrote: post #377

This is insane. I cannot fathom how I, nor educated and talented people I know, could have possibly stayed in the US back in the day if this requirement had been in place then. Applying for a greencard while working on an H, J or O-class visa is extremely common. Far from a loophole, applying from inside the US is the only reasonable way to apply for a greencard. Depending on the country of origin, there may not even…

The UK, the EU, Japan, and Australia all have identical rules to this policy.

It is false for the UK.

The whole system of US of needing to leave the country to even renew visas is absolutely bizarre and does not have analogues in most other countries (at least EU/UK)

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by slg »

joe_mamba wrote: post #549
cloche wrote: post #511

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, I think this is the point. They want to push the needle so that even legal immigration is restricted or difficult (unless you happen to pay them directly) https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/23/us/politics/trump-legal-i...

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These hypotheticals tend to accidentally reveal a disturbing worldview in the way they treat immigration as a natural phenomenon rather than people with agency of their own. It's dehumanizing.

For example, where does that 99,999,999th person sleep on the night they arrive in this country? What is their immediate plan? How and why did they come here? Your hypothetical has them almost emerging from the ether as an inherent problem rather than a person making an active decision to move to somewhere they think they will have a better life. If we stop providing them a better life, they'll stop coming. But the primary path to doing that is making life worse for everyone already here and none of us should want that.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by ashley95 »

For those not very familiar with the US immigration system: it can be very confusing and the naming of things is rarely related to their function due to a very thick layer of legal fiction in how it works.

The system sorely lacks reform to align the legal fiction with reality, which is precisely why this news release may sound entirely sensible for the uninitiated.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by Barrin92 »

joe_mamba wrote: post #549
cloche wrote: post #511

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, I think this is the point. They want to push the needle so that even legal immigration is restricted or difficult (unless you happen to pay them directly) https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/23/us/politics/trump-legal-i...

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>Clearly not for curious discourse.

This isn't "curious discourse", whatyou're doing is JAQing off (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions)

immigrants don't need to be 'taken care off' because legal immigrants in the US are net social contributors (in fact particularly large ones because the US government didn't subsidize their upbringing and education).

Five minutes on Google would have told you this, that is why "folks I'm just asking questions" gets downvoted, everyone can see through these pseudo gullible provocations

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by blizdiddy »

joe_mamba wrote: post #549
cloche wrote: post #511

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, I think this is the point. They want to push the needle so that even legal immigration is restricted or difficult (unless you happen to pay them directly) https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/23/us/politics/trump-legal-i...

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Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by cinntaile »

brandelune wrote: post #561
thallium205 wrote: post #543

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK, the EU, Japan, and Australia all have identical rules to this policy.

You apply for permanent residency in Japan from Japan.

Which is also the only way that makes sense... Permanent residency but you have to be... Outside the country? lol

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by thegjp210 »

esalman wrote: post #280

I received my green card in 2023 and I have mixed emotions. On one hand, I'm so relieved that I have been able to dodge everything that the administration has been throwing at immigrant (legal and illegal alike), trying to see what sticks, like mass deportations, border wall expansion, visa restrictions, asylum crackdown, H-1B cuts, and chain Migration Ban. On the other hand, we cannot apply for citizenship for 3 mor…

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