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Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by rajup »

abalashov wrote: post #377

This is insane. I cannot fathom how I, nor educated and talented people I know, could have possibly stayed in the US back in the day if this requirement had been in place then. Applying for a greencard while working on an H, J or O-class visa is extremely common. Far from a loophole, applying from inside the US is the only reasonable way to apply for a greencard. Depending on the country of origin, there may not even…

"intentionally malevolent" -> Stephen Miller's second name. The cruelty is and always was the point.

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Post by skupig »

shell0x wrote: post #510

That makes sense to me. If you come on a non-immigrant visa, you can’t become a permanent resident easily. it’s a privilege, not a right. Other countries like the UAE also take a lot of foreign workers but do not want them become PRs or citizens and there are tons of people moving there for opportunities. The labor is needed but they don’t want these people permanently. You made your money, now leave

That doesn't make any sense. The US enjoys its position of economic power because it has the reputation and wealth to attract skilled people and keep them here.

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Post by nceqs3 »

cmiles8 wrote: post #162

This is a bit extreme. On the other end of the spectrum the existing system is heavily abused and hard to defend. For example many if not most PERM applications in tech are a complete sham. Putting tiny job adverts burred deep in a newspaper hoping nobody applies to try and say there are no skilled workers in the US is just one example of current abuse of the system.

Exactly this. The difference in the pitch to voters (labor market test) vs the actual implementation (box checking sham), just shows how dishonest the whole tech industry and immigration lobby is about this. The actual solution is somewhere in the middle, but it will likely never happen because those with political capital and high social status benefit enormously from low wage h1b/opt/l1 workers. The people who are hurt by these immigration programs don't have high social status so nobody cares.

Ironic that liberals turn into libertarian boot likers for mega corps when it comes to immigration.

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Post by ViktorRay »

nceqs3 wrote: post #517
ViktorRay wrote: post #370

This is going to worsen healthcare in the United States. Many critical roles are filled with doctors who are here on visas because there simply aren’t American graduates who want those jobs. I’m talking about jobs being doctors in hospitals and towns and cities that are not the most desirable. Many of those doctors filling these positions today are immigrants who are on visas. They want to get green cards and stay he…

> because there simply aren’t American graduates who want those jobs. Facts are just invented in these debates. Here is an actual fact: in the 2026 residency match cycle, about 6.5% of U.S. MD seniors went unmatched, resulting in approximately 1,300 to 1,400 U.S. MD students failing to secure a position initially.

No need to say “ Facts are just invented in these debates.” Especially when what you are talking about is different from what I’m talking about.

I’m not talking about residency. I’m talking about jobs post residency. There are hospitalist jobs in areas that are in desperate need of doctors. And these jobs are staffed with doctors who are on visas. Outpatient jobs too. These jobs are in locations or hospital systems that are important and that American graduates do not want to go to.

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Post by adi_kurian »

pixelatedindex wrote: post #359
esalman wrote: post #280

I received my green card in 2023 and I have mixed emotions. On one hand, I'm so relieved that I have been able to dodge everything that the administration has been throwing at immigrant (legal and illegal alike), trying to see what sticks, like mass deportations, border wall expansion, visa restrictions, asylum crackdown, H-1B cuts, and chain Migration Ban. On the other hand, we cannot apply for citizenship for 3 mor…

> and paid over $100,000 in taxes last year alone Genuinely curious, what does taxes have to do with it? Everyone pays taxes, legal or illegal in some form. I don’t think paying your dues should make you more likely to get through the pipeline. After all, you paid those taxes because you made good money, which is what people come here for.

Uncle Sam likes tax payers.

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Post by cybercatgurrl »

seshagiric wrote: post #301

This is just reckless without any responsibility. A number of people, especially in tech sector, legally stay in US while their GC is being processed. They have kids born in the USA. If such people were to leave USA to seek green card: - the kids must first get visas to their parent's countries - once reaching the other country, consular offices now have multi year wait lines for getting an appointment with a office…

cruelty is the point in case it wasn’t obvious

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Post by geertj »

There does appear to be a limited walk back for dual intent visa holders (H1B and L1)

“A spokesperson for US Citizenship and Immigration Services, however, told Semafor that H1-B visa holders and high-skilled workers might not be affected in the near term.”

Source: https://www.semafor.com/article/05/22/2026/trump-orders-gree...

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Post by adi_kurian »

margorczynski wrote: post #500
tegiddrone wrote: post #407

My H1B coworker has paid $180k more in taxes than I have. We are the same age. He has fewer years working in USA than I have as a citizen. We calculated this by the data exposed by the mySocialSecurity website. I get to vote and he does not. Edit: s/green card/H1B/

Well the fundamental question is does one see the US as a nation or some economic zone/factory where your worth is determined by how much you produce. In the first case the paid taxes argument is pointless.

Uncle Sam likes tax payers.

I believe the current administration, in general, appreciates those with $$.

https://www.trumpcard.gov/

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Post by didgetmaster »

convolvatron wrote: post #329
didgetmaster wrote: post #325

The whole immigration argument basically boils down to two schools of thought. 1) Those who believe that every human born on this planet has a basic right to move to and live in, any country that they want. 2) Those who believe that the people who are currently citizens of countries around the world, have the right to set strict restrictions on who is allowed to move there. These two schools are fundamentally at odds…

the reality is that there a very wide spectrum of opinions about what immigration policy should like, and really not so many people in the (1) category

There are apparently 20+ million of them who entered the U.S. illegally, along with millions more who think it is a crime to deport them (even the criminals).
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