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Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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If you have such toxic environment, run.

If you’re sitting under a tree in the rain and it gets soaked through and you start getting wet, finding another tree won’t help you. The whole industry is adjusting to the reality that the expected output of an engineer is much higher than it used to be. It’s not local to one company. You may find a better environment for the time being, but this is the direction everything is headed.

I don’t disagree that the expectations are higher, but token output hardly correlates to code output worthy of merging.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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post #172

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I wish I could understand the appeal of using Claude Code inside VScode rather than Copilot. I feel like I'm missing something obvious.

I'm with you there. I can't stand the CLI that wants to take you away from the mostly bad code it writes. Give me the structure, let me finesse it - to do that I need to actually see it no matter how much Anthropic pretends that it's perfect.

I run Claude code inside an emacs vterm for moderately long lived work streams, and an ever shifting set of tmuxes for quick small features or bug fixes. The way I ensure I read the code at least a bit is the same as for wholly hand written code: I never do git add . only for one file at a time, and I got diff each file just prior to adding it (except sometimes for code genned files). I also arrange mostly to do incremental dev, sort of agile where I am the client and claude is the dev team and I check the utility of each feature one by one, so what I end up with delights me. It does tend to do more than is needed, so I will mostly delete code it has written rather than fix things. Like really not every module tunable constant needs to be over rideable from env vars. I am happy with the resulting systems, they have not collapsed into unmaintainable messes yet; the Claude in vterm in emacs is nice where I can think and run shell commands and look at code or git history while having a longer running discussion is nice UX.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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post #286

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If you have such toxic environment, run.

Where to, that's the question. The economy is in the gutters and the replace-people-with-AI craze is making the issue even worse.

> The economy is in the gutters

Consumer sentiment is in the gutters certainly. But objective measures of the economy like unemployment and real wages look good to excellent

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Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have such toxic environment, run.

If you’re sitting under a tree in the rain and it gets soaked through and you start getting wet, finding another tree won’t help you. The whole industry is adjusting to the reality that the expected output of an engineer is much higher than it used to be. It’s not local to one company. You may find a better environment for the time being, but this is the direction everything is headed.

It’s too bad that, yet again, instead of the productivity gains leading to shorter work weeks, the benefits accrue to the companies. Just once I’d like to see productivity gains lead to more leisure time, not higher expectation.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re sitting under a tree in the rain and it gets soaked through and you start getting wet, finding another tree won’t help you. The whole industry is adjusting to the reality that the expected output of an engineer is much higher than it used to be. It’s not local to one company. You may find a better environment for the time being, but this is the direction everything is headed.

I don’t disagree that the expectations are higher, but token output hardly correlates to code output worthy of merging.

Code quality matters to engineers. Find a senior manager who cares. Or worse, find a customer who cares.

While they obviously want a high quality product, no outages, a responsive system etc, I don’t think they necessarily understand why you need to avoid creating god-objects, need to reason about abstractions, etc.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re sitting under a tree in the rain and it gets soaked through and you start getting wet, finding another tree won’t help you. The whole industry is adjusting to the reality that the expected output of an engineer is much higher than it used to be. It’s not local to one company. You may find a better environment for the time being, but this is the direction everything is headed.

I don’t disagree that the expectations are higher, but token output hardly correlates to code output worthy of merging.

They don't care about quality as long as it works enough. It's a clown show all the way through.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re sitting under a tree in the rain and it gets soaked through and you start getting wet, finding another tree won’t help you. The whole industry is adjusting to the reality that the expected output of an engineer is much higher than it used to be. It’s not local to one company. You may find a better environment for the time being, but this is the direction everything is headed.

I don’t disagree that the expectations are higher, but token output hardly correlates to code output worthy of merging.

Thats why they said they optimize for effective output at the cost of higher token use. They didn’t say they are intending to have high token use, instead thet implied its a second order effect of seeking more effective output.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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post #286

The comments I see recommending selective use of cheaper models doesn't match the reality I experience working in the industry. I have the constant threat hanging over my head of being fired if I don't churn out code quickly enough. I'm not willing to gamble with my livelyhood by using a less effective model. Saving money on tokens isn't something that's rewarded during performance reviews; particularly because it's…

If you have such toxic environment, run.

Maybe once we get universal income we can start recommending this. Until then the individual isn't to blame when the only option to keep providing is to keep grinding in a toxic environment.

But I'd agree that everyone can start planning a career shift that'll span a few months to some years in order to seek better working conditions. Passively accepting all work degradation because that's life and money is needed is partly responsible for the current situation too.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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The comments I see recommending selective use of cheaper models doesn't match the reality I experience working in the industry. I have the constant threat hanging over my head of being fired if I don't churn out code quickly enough. I'm not willing to gamble with my livelyhood by using a less effective model. Saving money on tokens isn't something that's rewarded during performance reviews; particularly because it's…

> I have the constant threat hanging over my head of being fired if I don't churn out code quickly enough.

And the tragedy is that this isn't sustainable, and we all involved deeply in tech know this. There is eventually going to be a big reality check the companies will have to pay, because you can't force creativity and quality, not even with AI, because actual intelligence lies with us at least for now and for the foreseeable future. However when the rope eventually snaps these executives at best will fall upwards, with big severance bonuses and a list of "contributions" we have to be grateful for. We are the ones that will suffer through the next big layoffs.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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post #284

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I never understand why Amazon even bothers to build their own coding agent. GitHub Copilot is in a somewhat similar place as Microsoft's toy but still different -- it was more or less the first coding agent/assistant, and GitHub/VSCode/Microsoft has enough user base and impact to influence individual users and enterprises' choices. For Amazon's coding agent -- I just never see anyone outside Amazon even mentions Kiro…

Is there any proprietary Amazon end-dev/ops facing service that's worth using? I've never had a good experience with any I've tried - CodeBuild, Cloud9, Q, SageMaker, WorkMail, WorkDocs, Chime, OpsWorks,... I love AWS at the infrastructure level, but their PaaS tends to be meh, and their end-user directed stuff is usually atrocious.

When I was at AWS I had exactly one customer who used Chime and they loved it.

They were a manufacturing org and only managers had licenses to MS Office and users in Active Directory. Everybody else was registered on a separate OpenLDAP directory to avoid paying MS licenses.

Chime was cheaper per user than onboarding everybody into AD and paying Teams, and they could tack Chime usage into their AWS bill.

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