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Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by plaidfuji »

Our shop is forced to use Copilot on gov cloud, and it’s so useless I usually stick to manually coding. Its syntax is messy, it randomly combines lines together, flips order, or drops a couple tokens worth of output in the middle of a line, and for some reason it consistently drops the last line of every code block. I assume we’re getting a few versions back of GPT under the hood. But it does make me appreciate how the models of the past year or so crossed the threshold from interesting to truly productivity-enhancing.

Between Copilot, Claude, and Gemini, I still actually prefer Gemini. I do a lot of scientific writing in addition to coding and Gemini is the only model I can trust to “just be right”. This trust then transfers over to its code output.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by krzyk »

cebert wrote: post #308
krzyk wrote: post #299

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Any corp (> 150 seats) has to use API pricing, so e.g. I don't have pressure or weekly limits, just a set budget I can use each month.

That will be true in March 2027, but isn’t necessarily true today. I work in a large organization that is grandfathered into the Enterprise Subscription plan until then. We have thousands of seats using Claude Code.

Oh, I didn't know about that. We got into Claude Code in AFAIR December, and we were on API pricing from the beginning.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by ramigb »

cbdevidal wrote: post #233
mellosouls wrote: post #217

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Yes, unfortunately. eg. discussions below - I think I have seen multipliers of 9x cost to existing use cases: Changes to GitHub Copilot individual plans https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47838508 GitHub Copilot is moving to usage-based billing https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47923357 Multipliers for annual subscribers: https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/reference/copilot-billing...

Thanks for the heads up. I had a brainstorming session with Gemini about this (I can’t believe I just typed that sentence lol) and the plan is to switch to two local LLMs; a lightweight, fast 3B model for autocomplete, and a slower 14B model for chat sessions. Then I can switch to a DeepSeek Premium API key for the really tough stuff. It recommended the Continue plugin for VSCode. When I am away from home I’ll run au…

Opencode has a nice pricing with opencode go. Also minimax has a 10 dollars option that gives you 1500 requests every 5 hours!

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by krzyk »

mschuster91 wrote: post #295
krzyk wrote: post #286

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If you have such toxic environment, run.

Where to, that's the question. The economy is in the gutters and the replace-people-with-AI craze is making the issue even worse.

Now as you can see from the article, it starts turning. People are getting less pricey than agents on API pricing.

Copilot switches to API pricing starting next month (let's see how long it will last for our $39, and $19 since September), Anthropic switches all corps into API based pricing. From the most popular choices I think only Codex didn't switch yet (although it is hard to tell because I don't know their enterprise pricing).

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by ekidd »

ggititel wrote: post #307
mschuster91 wrote: post #295

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Where to, that's the question. The economy is in the gutters and the replace-people-with-AI craze is making the issue even worse.

Perhaps for now. But you know, after working solid with AI for two years and adopting effective methods using detailed plans, and having a lot of success with it, here is the problem: Coding faster leads to less understanding and higher long-term risk. Source-Code amnesia is real, and there’s a time requirement to really understand and appreciate what a system is actually doing. I’ve been able to implement very large…

> Coding faster leads to less understanding and higher long-term risk. Source-Code amnesia is real, and there’s a time requirement to really understand and appreciate what a system is actually doing.

This is why I have switched nearly all of my personal coding experiments over to Qwen3.6 27B. Opus make it easy to gloss over too much and to delegate too much. And so I don't build sufficient memory of the code to provide long-term oversight.

But Qwen3.6 27B sits on an really interesting balance point. It understands code well enough to get 80% of the way to a good design, and it can fully implement a well-specified feature. But if my understanding of the code starts to weaken, things start going wrong much more quickly than they do with Claude.

Opus will happily take complex code beyond the point of salvation, if you allow it. I'm currently cleaning up a successful prototype code base right now, one that was partially vibe-coded and now needs to be put into production. And Opus generated massive amounts of tech debt. So clearly people who lean into vibe coding will need to keep upgrading their models for many years to keep up with the mess created by earlier models.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by lou1306 »

heisenbit wrote: post #310

How would one call such a strategy? Embrace and extend comes to mind.

This has really little to do with embrace and extend. They are not taking over an open standard or anything like that.

If anything, it's forced dogfooding, i.e., forcing their own workforce to beta-test their product.

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Post by maplethorpe »

ggititel wrote: post #307
mschuster91 wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where to, that's the question. The economy is in the gutters and the replace-people-with-AI craze is making the issue even worse.

Perhaps for now. But you know, after working solid with AI for two years and adopting effective methods using detailed plans, and having a lot of success with it, here is the problem: Coding faster leads to less understanding and higher long-term risk. Source-Code amnesia is real, and there’s a time requirement to really understand and appreciate what a system is actually doing. I’ve been able to implement very large…

> It cannot design software, and any appearance of such is an illusion at best.

Have you tried Claude Opus 4.7?

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by ninkendo »

krzyk wrote: post #286
harimau777 wrote: post #266

The comments I see recommending selective use of cheaper models doesn't match the reality I experience working in the industry. I have the constant threat hanging over my head of being fired if I don't churn out code quickly enough. I'm not willing to gamble with my livelyhood by using a less effective model. Saving money on tokens isn't something that's rewarded during performance reviews; particularly because it's…

If you have such toxic environment, run.

If you’re sitting under a tree in the rain and it gets soaked through and you start getting wet, finding another tree won’t help you.

The whole industry is adjusting to the reality that the expected output of an engineer is much higher than it used to be. It’s not local to one company. You may find a better environment for the time being, but this is the direction everything is headed.

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Post by ponector »

mschuster91 wrote: post #295
krzyk wrote: post #286

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If you have such toxic environment, run.

Where to, that's the question. The economy is in the gutters and the replace-people-with-AI craze is making the issue even worse.

And open positions are simply because someone decided to run from that place

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by cdurth »

chantepierre wrote: post #163
dgellow wrote: post #145

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Opus 4.7 has been a real downgrade for me. I’m back to mid 2025 when I had to catch all the completely intermediary goals/assumptions the model is creating for itself

I felt that but find it worked way better by invoking it with `claude --effort max` only

Yup I run Max only now. It's closer to the "old" Claude but still nerfed in my opinion.
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