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Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by krzyk »

samastur wrote: post #274
EdwardDiego wrote: post #245

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I went to 4.7, didn't have a choice, found it unsatisfactory, then Claude quietly added in the option to use 4.6, so I'm back on 4.6, and I'm not the only one in my company. I had far more hallucinations with 4.7 than 4.6. I'll try it again after a few more months for them to get it right, but 4.6 is what changed my mind on LLMs as a tool, and 4.7 felt like a step backwards, so for now I'm sticking with something tha…

How did you manage to do that? /model command returns only 4 choices for me: Opus 4.7, two Sonnet options and Haiku.

In my model I have also opis 4.6.

Maybe this is becaus I'm on api pricing? (All new contracts for corps are pushed to that by Anthropic).

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Post by __mharrison__ »

RA_Fisher wrote: post #263
cfunderburg wrote: post #161

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I wish I could understand the appeal of using Claude Code inside VScode rather than Copilot. I feel like I'm missing something obvious.

Claude Code will write the whole thing for you. Whereas doesn’t Copilot require input along the way of coding? ie- it doesn’t do all the programming for you

If you give Copilot a file with a list of tasks to complete, it will try to churn through them (just like most other harness would do these days).

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by krzyk »

RA_Fisher wrote: post #262
verst wrote: post #165

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Most of us never had the option for work to pay for Claude Code -- some internal orgs did this. That being said I had a personal Claude Code subscription for a bit. Honestly I find GitHub Copilot CLI (and now also the new GitHub Copilot app) quite decent. I mostly use it with Opus 4.7, or rarely with GPT-5.5. The VSCode extension is ok, but CLI or app are the better experience IMO.

Do people bring their own then (considering work doesn’t pay for it)?

Our corp specifically prohibits that, because of code leak/training.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by cameronh90 »

iamflimflam1 wrote: post #157

From reading the article. They offered their developers both Claude code and Copilot. What they wanted was for them to use both and feedback which was better. The developers voted with their feet and didn’t use Copilot. What Microsoft were hoping was that the opposite would happen...

Microsoft have historically tended to dogfood their own products.

Obviously you want to be aware of what else is on the market, and use the right tool for the job -- but equally if you have a directly competing product, you'd prefer your org's telemetry and suggestions are directed towards improving your own software rather than your competitors'.

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Post by mschuster91 »

krzyk wrote: post #286
harimau777 wrote: post #266

The comments I see recommending selective use of cheaper models doesn't match the reality I experience working in the industry. I have the constant threat hanging over my head of being fired if I don't churn out code quickly enough. I'm not willing to gamble with my livelyhood by using a less effective model. Saving money on tokens isn't something that's rewarded during performance reviews; particularly because it's…

If you have such toxic environment, run.

Where to, that's the question. The economy is in the gutters and the replace-people-with-AI craze is making the issue even worse.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by krzyk »

serf wrote: post #184
mattmanser wrote: post #174

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I'm a little the opposite, what's the point of using an IDE with AI? I genuinely don't get it? These days I just use Claude Code Desktop or Claude Code in powershell. Standalone, not inside and IDE. Honestly, I'm using Desktop more and more as it gets more features. The IDE is for me. No AI in it at all. If I want to get Claude to do something specific to a file I just @ the file.

the obvious answer is because it's easier , faster, and more efficient to flip a true to false right in front of you than it is to prompt an llm. if your response is "my prompts don't produce code that needs values flipped, ever." then I would wager you're only touching very simple things with an LLM. for me I don't care about the token cost and prompt writing so much as the fact that it's just faster to change 0 to…

But you have IDE for you and cli for agent. Agent works on the same code, you can see the changes right there.

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Post by Insanity »

fg137 wrote: post #284
Insanity wrote: post #249

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Wonder if Amazon will do the same with CC and Kiro now that we internally have access to both. I think Kiro might have some “first mover” advantage internally, but CC feels better to use.

I never understand why Amazon even bothers to build their own coding agent. GitHub Copilot is in a somewhat similar place as Microsoft's toy but still different -- it was more or less the first coding agent/assistant, and GitHub/VSCode/Microsoft has enough user base and impact to influence individual users and enterprises' choices. For Amazon's coding agent -- I just never see anyone outside Amazon even mentions Kiro…

In fairness, Chime had tons of internal use and I quite liked it.

For Kiro, I agree with you, it seems like wasted effort and Anthropic / OpenAI are miles ahead in their tooling.

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Post by dgellow »

bluGill wrote: post #230
dgellow wrote: post #139

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A belt loaded spinwheel machine gun, where there are some chances the next bullet is a dummy round, or goes in the wrong direction. And everytime you reload a new soldier is in charge of the gun

You don't need that analogy as the normal use of a automatic gun in war is not to kill, it is to suppress - stop the enemy from moving. If you are hit by a gun in automatic mode it is your own stupid fault. When you want to kill someone you switch to one shot or maybe 3 round bursts.

TIL. I know literally nothing about automatic guns

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by krzyk »

kixxauth wrote: post #257
matheusmoreira wrote: post #182

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Yeah. Claude does good work but reviewing it all properly takes quite a bit of time. It got to the point I started having trouble maxing out my weekly allocation. Dealt with that by going all out and making an agentic parallel code review skill. Basically an infinite TODO list generator. Now I'm definitely getting 100% of the usage I paid for. It really burns tokens like nobody's business, and catches a lot of issues…

I really don't like how the payment plans work with the providers right now. I feel this pressure to use all my tokens for the week, often just "wasting" them. But also, I want to take advantaged of the subsidized tokens in Claude Code and Codex for as long as I can. There is this real danger that our thinking, and the things we make, become bloated without constraints. IMO software has gone to shit since both mobile…

Any corp (> 150 seats) has to use API pricing, so e.g. I don't have pressure or weekly limits, just a set budget I can use each month.

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Post by __mharrison__ »

salawat wrote: post #29
SubiculumCode wrote: post #13

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At the enterprise level though, its going to be hard to want to use a service in which costs are not predictable, and keeping those costs under control requires employee training.

There's no fucking training to mitigate a slot machine.

Odd, I train teams (at large companies) to use harnesses effectively. So some training does exist.

I get the anti/skeptic sentiment. I've been called a lot of horrible things by a vocal contingent when they hear that I help train folks to learn software engineering best practices and then apply AI to that.

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