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Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by fendy3002 »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #169
couchdb_ouchdb wrote: post #116

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I've seen a lot of this sentiment over the previous six months from people on reddit. I have yet to experience this myself as a developer with over 20 years of experience.

It's the same phenomenon as when you learn a new vocabulary word you see it everywhere. People heard "Claude is nerfed" and now they see it everywhere, they notice failures a lot more than they would have otherwise. Doesn't matter that Claude is not, in fact, nerfed. Perception is powerful and most humans are not rational.

Oh Opus is nerfed sure, but not that hard. Early this year opus 4.6 can understand your prompt and your intention easily, it got worse around mid April. Opus 4.7 even worse than that.

However that's just it, you just need to improve and make clearer of your prompt and it will perform just as good.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by NiloCK »

serf wrote: post #184
mattmanser wrote: post #174

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I'm a little the opposite, what's the point of using an IDE with AI? I genuinely don't get it? These days I just use Claude Code Desktop or Claude Code in powershell. Standalone, not inside and IDE. Honestly, I'm using Desktop more and more as it gets more features. The IDE is for me. No AI in it at all. If I want to get Claude to do something specific to a file I just @ the file.

the obvious answer is because it's easier , faster, and more efficient to flip a true to false right in front of you than it is to prompt an llm. if your response is "my prompts don't produce code that needs values flipped, ever." then I would wager you're only touching very simple things with an LLM. for me I don't care about the token cost and prompt writing so much as the fact that it's just faster to change 0 to…

The thing that drove me away from manual edits was that I found myself confusing the LLM all the time. It would read or write, some code, I'd twiddle with things, and then the LLM's future references to the same code would be a mess.

On balance, and via dictation, it feels likely to be faster overall to just enact the changes I want 'inline' of the conversation thread.

Is this stuff any better now? I think current harnesses probably do have things like file change listeners that automatically inform agents before they act on a file they've previously engaged with if it has changed in the meantime.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by fendy3002 »

couchdb_ouchdb wrote: post #116
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #93

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I rage canceled Claude today. After 2 weeks of Claude getting progressively worse and worse, today was the final straw. I don't care if they have a phone app. The model is COMPLETE garbage after you subscribe long enough and they think they've "got you". I can't code on my phone if the model literally moves in the wrong direction and does the opposite of what I tell it to. If I wanted to make my code worse, I'd just…

I've seen a lot of this sentiment over the previous six months from people on reddit. I have yet to experience this myself as a developer with over 20 years of experience.

As always, I think this happen more to vibe coder. They don't understand that bigger project means worse AI performance. On top of that Opus felt being nerfed at understanding prompt so if your spec is bad you won't get good result.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by TheAceOfHearts »

fendy3002 wrote: post #196
comboy wrote: post #194

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Curious if anyone around here stayed on 4.6 (having a choice to use 4.7)

Stay with 4.6 if you can, it is disabled (afaik) on vscode claude code extension. 4.7 IMO is around 10-20% worse at understanding your prompt intention. You need more effort to explain your intention clearer so it doesn't divert.

I was recently talking to someone about that! I wasn't sure if it was my imagination, but I felt like Opus 4.6 was way more diligent about looking things up online and making sure that its response was accurate. While Opus 4.7 seems content to just throw out an answer as quickly as possible with little care for accuracy; I started to always remind it to do an online search and to double check its work, to the point where I had to add a custom memory.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by cbdevidal »

cbdevidal wrote: post #197

I’ve been quite content with CoPilot’s $10/mo plan. Still offers access to Claude models (limited tokens) but has no time limits like the $20 Claude plan, so no interruptions in work flow. I use one of the free models for the more pedestrian tasks then sic Claude on the particularly thorny problems. Works very well for me.

Can even buy more premium tokens for more Claude use, which I have done once. But most of the time the tokens included in the plan are sufficient.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by SequoiaHope »

comboy wrote: post #194
gofreddygo wrote: post #190

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For months, Employees had the option to choose claude code or copilot. Now they dont. Underlying model choice still has no restrictions. Opus 4.6 is by far the most popular. there's still big $$$ bills going anthropic's way.

Curious if anyone around here stayed on 4.6 (having a choice to use 4.7)

I’ve stayed on 4.6. Was thinking of trying 4.7 though just today. Still, I did not jump on it day one.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by vasco »

gofreddygo wrote: post #190
iamflimflam1 wrote: post #157

From reading the article. They offered their developers both Claude code and Copilot. What they wanted was for them to use both and feedback which was better. The developers voted with their feet and didn’t use Copilot. What Microsoft were hoping was that the opposite would happen...

For months, Employees had the option to choose claude code or copilot. Now they dont. Underlying model choice still has no restrictions. Opus 4.6 is by far the most popular. there's still big $$$ bills going anthropic's way.

Wouldn't they be forced into API pricing instead of per-seat like that though? That would potentially be a massive cost increase. But I've discovered through talking to colleagues some companies are already doing that. I can't understand why you'd ever do that when you can get VC subsidized pricing for now. At least for all initial in-plan usage. I doubt many developers go past the limit anyway and for those you switch just the extra usage to on demand anyway.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by mellosouls »

cbdevidal wrote: post #197

I’ve been quite content with CoPilot’s $10/mo plan. Still offers access to Claude models (limited tokens) but has no time limits like the $20 Claude plan, so no interruptions in work flow. I use one of the free models for the more pedestrian tasks then sic Claude on the particularly thorny problems. Works very well for me.

I'm not sure if you are referring to the old or new plan?

Github Copilot offered probably the best value and was IMO underappreciated for a long time; I've been an annual subscriber since day 1.

The changes announced a few days ago completely revoke that value proposition, I doubt I'll continue with it.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by cbdevidal »

mellosouls wrote: post #208
cbdevidal wrote: post #197

I’ve been quite content with CoPilot’s $10/mo plan. Still offers access to Claude models (limited tokens) but has no time limits like the $20 Claude plan, so no interruptions in work flow. I use one of the free models for the more pedestrian tasks then sic Claude on the particularly thorny problems. Works very well for me.

I'm not sure if you are referring to the old or new plan? Github Copilot offered probably the best value and was IMO underappreciated for a long time; I've been an annual subscriber since day 1. The changes announced a few days ago completely revoke that value proposition, I doubt I'll continue with it.

There’s a new plan? Ugh. I signed up about five months ago.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by Keyframe »

fendy3002 wrote: post #196
comboy wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious if anyone around here stayed on 4.6 (having a choice to use 4.7)

Stay with 4.6 if you can, it is disabled (afaik) on vscode claude code extension. 4.7 IMO is around 10-20% worse at understanding your prompt intention. You need more effort to explain your intention clearer so it doesn't divert.

I switched back to 4.6 thinking, as most did, 4.7 introduced some jankinesss to it. I switched back soon enough to 4.7. I think I might've adapted myself to what and how 4.7 does things. 4.6 felt a step backward.
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