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DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by maxdo »

freehorse wrote: post #157
maxdo wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flash on it's own is not a very competitive model, it's pricing is within ranges of everything else on the market. Probably the most direct competitor of Flash model : GPT 5.4 mini Cache Read $0.075 /M tokens Gemini 3 flash : Cache Read $0.05 /M tokens e.g nothing very magical or ground breaking.

Cache read for dp4-flash is $0.0028 /M tokens, which is more than 10 times cheaper (and also much cheaper for cache miss and output tokens). Have not actually compared it to other models, but I would not consider it in the same price range.

this price only available if you ok to send your data to Beijing Volcano Engine Technology Co. for the rest open router vendors it is not the same.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by HawtAds »

BiraIgnacio wrote: post #185
ammar_x wrote: post #27

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You can use V4 Pro with Claude Code [1]. I tried it and it's impressive. [1]: https://api-docs.deepseek.com/quick_start/agent_integrations...

I've been using V4 flash consistently with Claude. Pretty great fast and darn cheap. I use it about 3h/day and so far haven't crossed $1 USD/week. FWIW, I this is what I have in my settings.json "env": { "ANTHROPIC_AUTH_TOKEN":"sk-nope_not_real", "ANTHROPIC_BASE_URL": "https://api.deepseek.com/anthropic", "ANTHROPIC_MODEL": "deepseek-v4-flash", "ANTHROPIC_DEFAULT_OPUS_MODEL": "deepseek-v4-flash", "ANTHROPIC_DEFAULT_S…

Why not use higher thinking effort?

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by HawtAds »

gaolei8888 wrote: post #200
jdboyd wrote: post #195

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I would prefer a coding agent to be somewhat independent of the model provider. Providers are trading off on quality, features, and price so frequently, and I don't want to keep changing my agent every time. I am looking forward to things slowing down and stabilizing. I'm not saying that should happen today, just I am looking forward to it.

I think this will happen much sooner than we thought. Maybe it will happen in next 6 months

There is OpenCode and Pi, they both work pretty well

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by missedthecue »

raincole wrote: post #194
maltalex wrote: post #189

This looks suspiciously cheap. The same model hosted by other providers is much more expensive [0]. So either DeepSeek can host it much cheaper than anyone else, or their business model is different. I suspect the latter, especially since their privacy policy [1] says personal data, including “User Input,” can be used "To improve and develop the Services and to train and improve our technology" . [0]: https://openrou…

They're selling at a loss (obviously). But why not? Gaining market share at a loss isn't the US's patent.

They haven't raised enough money to be selling at a loss. And selling at a loss to gain market share in an industry with zero switching friction between sellers is not a strategy. That doesn't make sense.

Loss leading only works when

- it leads to a situation that allows you to prevent competitors from selling to your customers (gilded age railroad and pipeline industries are great examples). Then you can eventually raise prices and not lose back any market share.

- or when it allows you to remarket to customers and make back the difference (selling a single console at a loss to sell a whole library of high margin videos games, or selling jet engines at a loss to lock in 30-year maintenance contracts).

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by ed_mercer »

BiraIgnacio wrote: post #185
ammar_x wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can use V4 Pro with Claude Code [1]. I tried it and it's impressive. [1]: https://api-docs.deepseek.com/quick_start/agent_integrations...

I've been using V4 flash consistently with Claude. Pretty great fast and darn cheap. I use it about 3h/day and so far haven't crossed $1 USD/week. FWIW, I this is what I have in my settings.json "env": { "ANTHROPIC_AUTH_TOKEN":"sk-nope_not_real", "ANTHROPIC_BASE_URL": "https://api.deepseek.com/anthropic", "ANTHROPIC_MODEL": "deepseek-v4-flash", "ANTHROPIC_DEFAULT_OPUS_MODEL": "deepseek-v4-flash", "ANTHROPIC_DEFAULT_S…

Hi, is it comparable to Opus?

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by linzhangrun »

alyxya wrote: post #11

Once they have their own coding agent which they seem to be working towards, I may start predominantly using their models. They seem to be doing all the "right" things, open sourcing models, publishing research, and keeping prices low for everyone.

there already is a open-sourced deepseek-tui coding agent. besides, you can always connect to opencode.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by raincole »

missedthecue wrote: post #204
raincole wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're selling at a loss (obviously). But why not? Gaining market share at a loss isn't the US's patent.

They haven't raised enough money to be selling at a loss. And selling at a loss to gain market share in an industry with zero switching friction between sellers is not a strategy. That doesn't make sense. Loss leading only works when - it leads to a situation that allows you to prevent competitors from selling to your customers (gilded age railroad and pipeline industries are great examples). Then you can eventually…

Yeah, cool theory, but they are selling at a loss. We know that because their model is open and available on other providers too. No other provider even sells a quantitized version of DeepSeek V4 Pro at that price.

Also, in case of LLM, market share = more people uploading their whole codebase/legal documents/unfinished books/literally everything to your servers for you to use in future training. So the incentive to sell at a loss is much stronger than other kinds of service.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by wolttam »

minimaxir wrote: post #110

I'm more curious about the caching: > (2) For all models, the input cache hit price has been reduced to 1/10 of the launch price. This price adjustment takes effect from 2026/4/26 12:15 UTC. There is no end date. Currently, it's 2% of the input price for DeepSeek V4 Flash and 0.8% with this new V4 Pro pricing, which is extremely low compared to competitors to the point that it affects the unit economics a bit and I t…

A big point of DeepSeek V4 is the significantly reduced KV cache size.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by missedthecue »

raincole wrote: post #207
missedthecue wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They haven't raised enough money to be selling at a loss. And selling at a loss to gain market share in an industry with zero switching friction between sellers is not a strategy. That doesn't make sense. Loss leading only works when - it leads to a situation that allows you to prevent competitors from selling to your customers (gilded age railroad and pipeline industries are great examples). Then you can eventually…

Yeah, cool theory, but they are selling at a loss. We know that because their model is open and available on other providers too. No other provider even sells a quantitized version of DeepSeek V4 Pro at that price. Also, in case of LLM, market share = more people uploading their whole codebase/legal documents/unfinished books/literally everything to your servers for you to use in future training. So the incentive to…

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Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by d4ust »

maltalex wrote: post #189

This looks suspiciously cheap. The same model hosted by other providers is much more expensive [0]. So either DeepSeek can host it much cheaper than anyone else, or their business model is different. I suspect the latter, especially since their privacy policy [1] says personal data, including “User Input,” can be used "To improve and develop the Services and to train and improve our technology" . [0]: https://openrou…

You may not know enough about DeepSeek founder Liang Wenfeng, who is also the founder of High-Flyer Quant
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