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Re: U.S. researchers face new restrictions on publishing with foreign collaborators

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Post by dylan604 » Sat, May 23, 2026, 12:43 AM UTC

snayan wrote: post #210

ajross wrote: post #209

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The space station thing is a side quest that has nothing to do with the linked article. I'll happily concede the point, even though it seems pretty questionable to me. It's still not remotely true that (sigh) "Obummer" was using the law to threaten grants and censor research. Trump did that. Only Trump did that. And that's a whole lot worse than wasted effort on a dumb space station.

I think the dude above was just explaining the Wolf amendment origins, I don't think it was an attempt to shift blame away from Trump for the current policies or both sides it. Just giving more context as to one specific item listed in the original article, and the ridiculous knock on effects it's had. Which, in itself, is interesting, and is something that I wasn't aware of. Think it's just an innocuous tangent in t…

Did the use of Obummer give you that sense?

Re: U.S. researchers face new restrictions on publishing with foreign collaborators

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Post by fc417fc802 » Sat, May 23, 2026, 12:50 AM UTC

pdonis wrote: post #181

fc417fc802 wrote: post #166

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> > allowing poisonous chemicals in your food supply or drinking water is insane. > humans somehow managed to obtain food and water that didn't have those things for thousands of years You really can't compare pre and post industrial revolution like that. Large scale synthesis of toxic chemicals as a byproduct of some unrelated industry just wasn't a thing previously. > In a free market, such an aircraft manufacturer…

> I don't think the free market would have selected for the current cost vs safety balance on its own. Possibly not. Possibly in a free market people still would fly on an aircraft type that was known to have had two recent crashes that killed everyone on board. I wouldn't, but perhaps I'm an outlier. But if people would be willing to fly on such an aircraft in a free market (which means that the value of flying on i…

I agree entirely with the sibling comment. Put another way, just because the layman majority would accept something under a given set of conditions that doesn't make it right or ideal or something to strive for.

Even given the current environment Boeing still tried to (unsuccessfully) shift blame away from themselves. Imagine how that might have gone differently in a "free market" where "unencumbered" by regulation there wasn't even proper investigation or disclosure.

More generally, you seem to be approaching this with the a priori assumption that whatever the free market would arrive at is the correct result. Given that we're considering the merits of various regulations it seem to me that begs the question.

Re: U.S. researchers face new restrictions on publishing with foreign collaborators

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Post by mjanx123 » Sat, May 23, 2026, 1:00 AM UTC

jfengel wrote: post #148

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #131

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> Very sad to see the US fall away from the rule of law, into kleptocracy. This is what is so hard for me to handle, and it really feels like I'm grieving a death. Because no matter what happens, even if some things eventually get better, I feel like the US as I knew it is dead - there is simply no coming back from the fact that it's been laid bare how quickly and easily vast swaths of our political leadership would…

how quickly and easily vast swaths of our political leadership would sell out to completely destroy our Constitutional principles This is not something done to us by leadership. This is a democracy; we voted for this. We have another election coming up momentarily. We have the opportunity to put a stop to this. There's good reason to think that the election will not be entirely fair, but there are limits: if people a…

Nobody voted for this. People voted for the proclaimed plans , but that turned out to be lies and deception solely for getting the votes.

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Post by macintux » Sat, May 23, 2026, 1:09 AM UTC

Pay08 wrote: post #195

ipaddr wrote: post #161

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Social media is allowing both views and the against is winning. But the mainstream media is under the thumb of fcc and too afraid to challenge so they keep neutral (or like Fox is a cheerleading) and that's where the disinformation is coming from.

No? In what world is there a government agency in the USA that prosecutes anti-Trump journalists? That's most of them, ffs. This is just conspiratorial bullshit not at all based in reality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_attacks_on_journali...

Re: U.S. researchers face new restrictions on publishing with foreign collaborators

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Post by idiotsecant » Sat, May 23, 2026, 1:10 AM UTC

UncleOxidant wrote: post #169

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #131

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> Very sad to see the US fall away from the rule of law, into kleptocracy. This is what is so hard for me to handle, and it really feels like I'm grieving a death. Because no matter what happens, even if some things eventually get better, I feel like the US as I knew it is dead - there is simply no coming back from the fact that it's been laid bare how quickly and easily vast swaths of our political leadership would…

> it really feels like I'm grieving a death. Jimmy Carter's funeral a few days before Trump was inaugurated really felt like the funeral for America. The moral gulf between Jimmy Carter and Donald Trump is just so vast. To imagine that the US elected someone with the integrity of Jimmy Carter in 1976... and then elected someone who is as morally bankrupt as Trump is in 2024. > there is simply no coming back from the…

Carter was basically the prototypical example of a politician whose good intentions eclipsed their ability to govern. You need to be a little bit of a high functioning sociopath to be an effective leader. The key is properly controlling those high functioning sociopaths by training them that doing good things is in their best interests.

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Post by IX-103 » Sat, May 23, 2026, 1:14 AM UTC

Pay08 wrote: post #195

ipaddr wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Social media is allowing both views and the against is winning. But the mainstream media is under the thumb of fcc and too afraid to challenge so they keep neutral (or like Fox is a cheerleading) and that's where the disinformation is coming from.

No? In what world is there a government agency in the USA that prosecutes anti-Trump journalists? That's most of them, ffs. This is just conspiratorial bullshit not at all based in reality.

You forgot the /s.

Or did you forget all the journalists kicked out of the Pentagon, the exclusion of the associated press over their use of the internationally recognized name for the Gulf of Mexico, the threatened cancellation of FCC licenses of ABC and CBS regarding their reporting, etc.

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Post by idiotsecant » Sat, May 23, 2026, 1:14 AM UTC

elzbardico wrote: post #160

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #131

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> Very sad to see the US fall away from the rule of law, into kleptocracy. This is what is so hard for me to handle, and it really feels like I'm grieving a death. Because no matter what happens, even if some things eventually get better, I feel like the US as I knew it is dead - there is simply no coming back from the fact that it's been laid bare how quickly and easily vast swaths of our political leadership would…

Sometimes you have to die to get back stronger. Ask the chinese.

I'm not sure that works for democracy. Autocracy is basically the default human state. All it takes to build it back up is a sufficiently powerful faction. Democracy is relatively fragile by comparison and requires more specific initial conditions - I would make the argument that democracies are the lower entropy condition.

Re: U.S. researchers face new restrictions on publishing with foreign collaborators

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Post by epistasis » Sat, May 23, 2026, 1:17 AM UTC

idiotsecant wrote: post #215

UncleOxidant wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it really feels like I'm grieving a death. Jimmy Carter's funeral a few days before Trump was inaugurated really felt like the funeral for America. The moral gulf between Jimmy Carter and Donald Trump is just so vast. To imagine that the US elected someone with the integrity of Jimmy Carter in 1976... and then elected someone who is as morally bankrupt as Trump is in 2024. > there is simply no coming back from the…

Carter was basically the prototypical example of a politician whose good intentions eclipsed their ability to govern. You need to be a little bit of a high functioning sociopath to be an effective leader. The key is properly controlling those high functioning sociopaths by training them that doing good things is in their best interests.

Say what you will about Carter, he kept the Strait of Hormuz open through his strength. He governed well. It was inflation that did him in, not his governance.

Trump maganed to hand the Stair of Hormuz over to Iran, and instigate massive inflation personally. The US is laughed at or ignored or treated as a problem on the world stage now, rather than being the leader.

However, the more sociopathic in society see Trump as strong, for some weird reason, and Carter as weak, for some weird reason. Very strange.

Re: U.S. researchers face new restrictions on publishing with foreign collaborators

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Post by kettlecorn » Sat, May 23, 2026, 1:19 AM UTC

jfengel wrote: post #148

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Very sad to see the US fall away from the rule of law, into kleptocracy. This is what is so hard for me to handle, and it really feels like I'm grieving a death. Because no matter what happens, even if some things eventually get better, I feel like the US as I knew it is dead - there is simply no coming back from the fact that it's been laid bare how quickly and easily vast swaths of our political leadership would…

how quickly and easily vast swaths of our political leadership would sell out to completely destroy our Constitutional principles This is not something done to us by leadership. This is a democracy; we voted for this. We have another election coming up momentarily. We have the opportunity to put a stop to this. There's good reason to think that the election will not be entirely fair, but there are limits: if people a…

"This is not something done to us by leadership. This is a democracy; we voted for this."

In many ways the current evils of the US are abusing the ways our government is least democratic.

The way the Senate and the electoral college weakens the power of some votes, the checks of Congress on the executive branch, and the appointment system of the Supreme Court all relied on political norms to confer stability. Those norms are being broken in favor of raw political power which is undermining the checks & balances fundamental to our country.

In few other stable democracies would such slim electoral victories result in such sweeping power. Our nation has relied on norms and civility for its stability as much as law, and discarding those makes our democracy substantially worse.

Trump received 49.8% of the vote, 1.5% more than Harris, and his power and ability to engage in corruption is virtually unchecked. In other countries with stronger democratic systems he would be forced to compromise to attain a stronger majority.

Re: U.S. researchers face new restrictions on publishing with foreign collaborators

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Post by eduction » Sat, May 23, 2026, 1:23 AM UTC

dylan604 wrote: post #211

snayan wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the dude above was just explaining the Wolf amendment origins, I don't think it was an attempt to shift blame away from Trump for the current policies or both sides it. Just giving more context as to one specific item listed in the original article, and the ridiculous knock on effects it's had. Which, in itself, is interesting, and is something that I wasn't aware of. Think it's just an innocuous tangent in t…

Did the use of Obummer give you that sense?

Oh we have to worship our ex presidents like kings? It’s possible to criticize both Trump and Obama.

For example my top criticism of Obama is that he killed a 15 year old American child without trial. His press secretary was not only was unapologetic he said “ I would suggest that you should have a far more responsible father if they are truly concerned about the well-being of their children.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Abdulrahman_al-Awla...

That father incidentally was another American killed without due process by Obummer’s personal order.

What’s your favorite Obama criticism?