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Why Japanese companies do so many different things

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Re: Why Japanese companies do so many different things

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What article were you reading? This article isn't idealizing Japanese companies, and specifically discusses the drawbacks of the Japanese approach, including zombie companies. The article's thesis statement isn't "the Japanese approach is better," but that business practices like these bundle together, that they're very difficult to change, and that each bundle has different advantages and disadvantages. Ironically,…

I did read it, but my impression remains the same. While the article does contain critiques of the Japanese system, as an East Asian, I feel it completely misses the actual underlying dynamics. I know the author isn't trying to paint Japan as a utopia. The reason I call it 'romanticized' is because the author claims Japan's success in precision parts is driven by 'horizontal' and 'collaborative' practices. That just…

> In reality, this system is largely sustained by the ruthless squeezing of subcontractors (for the record, I am Korean, but I actually like Japan), which is a massive social issue there. It’s very difficult for me to understand how anyone could view this structural dynamic as collaborative or horizontal.

This is the picture painted for me by the article. Vertical integration eliminates subcontractors. Horizontal integration squeezes them.

> If the author had concluded that their success in these niches stems from being an extremely vertical society where defying your superiors is simply not an option, I would have fully agreed. That aligns exactly with what I have experienced firsthand.

Same story here. When switching jobs is made difficult, the incentive is not to make waves.

> Does your definition of a 'horizotal culture' actually mean forcing people to work overtime just to hit deadlines?

Yes, provided your boss is working with you.

Re: Why Japanese companies do so many different things

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> So why are Japanese companies like this? Why do they do so many different things? And how do they manage to do so all those different things so well? Author says: Japanese companies excel in lots of very different domains because it’s inherent in how they’re structured. My response: No mention of culture? Sure maybe it is because of how they are structured somewhat, but it's also because of their culture. Japanese…

> Japan takes Western concepts, and applies an obsessive cultural devotion to mastery (Shokunin). Thank you for explaining this. I was alawys amazed how the japanese would take the cuisine from other countries and make it better in all aspects than the country that originated it.

Lol no.

I am a Spanish guy living in Japan, and while Japanese food is good and I surely enjoy it, their "Spanish restaurants" are a pale imitation of the original. Same for the Italian restaurants (which only cook spaghetti, as if there was no other kind of pasta), and I guess any other imported cuisine.

Re: Why Japanese companies do so many different things

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post #163

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Not being a single-party, notionally communist dictatorship may be helping with the image too? I don't know, spitballing here. I think the default approach in the West - and that's not a US-specific thing - is to treat exotic faraway lands with a mix of curiosity and awe. But China is a geopolitical rival with a political system that rightly makes many Westerners queasy, so it doesn't benefit from that anymore.

> Not being a single-party, notionally communist dictatorship may be helping with the image too? I don't know, spitballing here. No, everyday people are perfectly content to warm to brutal dictatorships who successfully put on a friendly face. Case in point: Dubai.

I don't think there are many people in the West who profess love for the UAE. But there are several reasons why it's not as disliked. First, it's a monarchy, and monarchies are harder to parse, given that many European countries are notionally monarchies too. Second, it's not by any stretch of imagination a serious geopolitical or economic threat to the West. Third, although it is authoritarian, by most third-party assessments, it's not nearly as authoritarian as China.

Re: Why Japanese companies do so many different things

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> This is very different from how most wealthy countries operate. American firms, for example, tend to prioritize focus above all else It hasn't always been like that. Western companies, including US companies, used to have lots of diversification as well (maybe not as much as the Japanese, but much more than today's companies still: not that long ago a company like IBM used to make mouses and keyboards, in addition…

Funny you mention IBM given that it still has its fingers in many porridges (to butcher an expression), maybe not computer peripherals but it's still a very broad company.

Re: Why Japanese companies do so many different things

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It’s always fascinating to see how Westerners idealize Japan on platforms like HN. It makes me wonder(i'm korean): how would a Westerner react if they saw me romanticizing the Mondragon cooperatives in Spain? They’d probably find it strange and out of touch with reality. This essay on Japan's corporate diversification and physical tacit knowledge is an interesting read. However, as an East Asian, my assessment is tha…

> It’s always fascinating to see how Westerners idealize Japan on platforms like HN

I think HN'er are smart enough to not idealize everything about Japan.

For example you can be in awe about how clean and safe the country is and how precisely on time all subways train are without idealizing toilet that stream water up your arse.

Re: Why Japanese companies do so many different things

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Japanese conglomerates are relics of a handful of British businessmen's attempting to exploit and dominate Japan during the late colonial period. They did this outside the normal channels of conquest or statecraft, due to Japan's unique relationship to the world at the time.

Re: Why Japanese companies do so many different things

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It's really odd to me that having an advanced ceramics division at Toto is considered such and odd diversified activity, and on top of that making money from the expertise of that division. Deep knowledge of ceramics would seem to me, to be a fundamental advantage if your main line of business is making ceramic toilets. Companies like this with deep interlocking expertise used to be common in the US too when the US a…

What is odd is that a very small side business somehow unrelated to the main activity that is manufacturing toilets, suddenly become the activity providing the main income of the company.

Re: Why Japanese companies do so many different things

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> but I see plenty of idolizing of China and how it manages to solve big problems at speeds unseen This is actually a great example for extant romanticization of China. People lauding Chinese expediency in the context of industry and construction often don't realize it's almost entirely enabled by extreme underregulation and underenforcement of industrial safety standards. Chinese people themselves will often point t…

The recent Abundance movement on the left argues strongly that progress has been held back by over regulation and bureaucratic processes.

Good thing voters are skeptical of abundance or they have never heard of it (like 90% of democratic party members have never heard of abundance).

Thank fuck too. Neoliberalism sucks, along with EK + DT.

Re: Why Japanese companies do so many different things

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post #7

It’s always fascinating to see how Westerners idealize Japan on platforms like HN. It makes me wonder(i'm korean): how would a Westerner react if they saw me romanticizing the Mondragon cooperatives in Spain? They’d probably find it strange and out of touch with reality. This essay on Japan's corporate diversification and physical tacit knowledge is an interesting read. However, as an East Asian, my assessment is tha…

> how would a Westerner react if they saw me romanticizing the Mondragon cooperatives in Spain? HN has had posts romanticizing them, maybe check those https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32622140 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41438060 > it created a massive 'zombie company' problem—a heavily discussed issue in Korea and Japan that the West seems largely blind to Zombie companies in the west are mentioned as a…

And the US ZIRP zombie companies die at some point even without rate hikes

Re: Why Japanese companies do so many different things

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Yamaha also runs a global music school franchise (and I love that the logo on their motorcycles is three tuning forks)

Yamaha also made top-end archery gear for quite a while. Infamous for metric threads when nearly everything else used imperial.
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