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DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by govg »

zozbot234 wrote: post #128
overfeed wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> US suppliers are fine and won't go bankrupt, they can just focus on serving... For a while, US automakers thought the same of Japanese, then Korean car manufacturers, and Musk laughed at Chinese EV makers in an interview >12 years ago. People learn and get better at making things until they catch up with the frontier.

Chinese EV makers have a few interesting technologies especially wrt. batteries but they're still very far from catching up to the frontier in a general sense. From that narrow POV Musk was absolutely correct.

What is the "frontier" in EVs that Chinese automakers are yet to achieve? And what automaker is at this so called frontier?

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by zozbot234 »

throwa356262 wrote: post #108
zozbot234 wrote: post #41

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US suppliers are fine and won't go bankrupt, they can just focus on serving bigger "Pro" class models from their large datacenters. In fact cheap AI makes the bigger and smarter models more useful because it's smart enough to draft a clear question to the model, which helps minimize wasted tokens.

US providers are burning VC money because they have been selling the idea of total world domination. Even the government has bought into that. Now suddenly they are not longer dominating the field and even need uncle Sam to protect them from foreign competitors. When VC pulls out, some of them may go bankrupt.

They can still dominate wrt. the biggest and smartest models. DeepSeek does effectively nothing to change that. Of course these big models will be served at a very steep price in order to fully and completely recoup the investment, but there's no reason why that couldn't work if they really are smart enough and if the market value of smarts follows any kind of scaling law.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by g023 »

wiradikusuma wrote: post #63
ammar_x wrote: post #27

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You can use V4 Pro with Claude Code [1]. I tried it and it's impressive. [1]: https://api-docs.deepseek.com/quick_start/agent_integrations...

That's interesting. I thought Claude Code is not as good, therefore people want to use Claude model with other alternatives. This is the other way around. Which begs the question, regardless of the model, which Claude Code alternative is better? (I keep saying "Claude Code alternative" because I don't know the term... LLM CLI?)

I use DeepSeek v4 flash with CoPilot and it works pretty good.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by dyauspitr »

margorczynski wrote: post #20

Maybe the Chinese are playing the long game by trying to bankrupt the US competition? Because there's no way this is financially viable.

For sure. But also they’re building an electrostate with 100% electricity redundancy and dirt cheap electricity. They might actually be able to sustain this.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by dyauspitr »

tencentshill wrote: post #24
margorczynski wrote: post #20

Maybe the Chinese are playing the long game by trying to bankrupt the US competition? Because there's no way this is financially viable.

Federal ban incoming then. They did it with cars already.

They’re going to have to. It’s $0.87 vs $30

It’s going to be hard to enforce it for most consumers though. It’s only going to apply to large corporations in effect.

That being said for coding and most actual “frontier” purposes the American models leave Deepseek in the dust.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by Guillaume86 »

ReptileMan wrote: post #93
alyxya wrote: post #11

Once they have their own coding agent which they seem to be working towards, I may start predominantly using their models. They seem to be doing all the "right" things, open sourcing models, publishing research, and keeping prices low for everyone.

Both pi, opencode and zed work amazing with deepseek.

You seem to have tried a few things, if you don't mind I have a few questions as someone currently on Claude Code but would prefer to not lock myself in a commercial ecosystem (and their pricing change regarding headless usage is annoying me):

- how do/would you add the WebSearch tool to your harness? pay for a separate service or does deepseek offer something with their subscriptions?

- do pi/opencode support pasting images in prompts?

- how do you handle reading images? deepseek is not multi modal IIRC? do you pay for another model and route to it?

Any of these missing would really annoy me in day to day use...

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by HWR_14 »

Scarbutt wrote: post #39
ammar_x wrote: post #27

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You can use V4 Pro with Claude Code [1]. I tried it and it's impressive. [1]: https://api-docs.deepseek.com/quick_start/agent_integrations...

Surprised Anthropic hasn't done anything to restrict Claude Code from using other providers.

It went the other way, you can't use other harnesses to connect to the cheaper versions of Claude. So clearly they think their current moat is Claude Code use, not the LLM itself.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by dyauspitr »

zozbot234 wrote: post #128
overfeed wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> US suppliers are fine and won't go bankrupt, they can just focus on serving... For a while, US automakers thought the same of Japanese, then Korean car manufacturers, and Musk laughed at Chinese EV makers in an interview >12 years ago. People learn and get better at making things until they catch up with the frontier.

Chinese EV makers have a few interesting technologies especially wrt. batteries but they're still very far from catching up to the frontier in a general sense. From that narrow POV Musk was absolutely correct.

What the hell are you talking about? They have batteries that charge 0-80% in 5 minutes even at -30F. More full featured EVs at half the price with similar acceleration rates and higher top speeds. Total ranges are comparable or better. What is this frontier you speak of? I think the only thing US companies are far ahead on is self driving.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by hbarka »

ammar_x wrote: post #27
alyxya wrote: post #11

Once they have their own coding agent which they seem to be working towards, I may start predominantly using their models. They seem to be doing all the "right" things, open sourcing models, publishing research, and keeping prices low for everyone.

You can use V4 Pro with Claude Code [1]. I tried it and it's impressive. [1]: https://api-docs.deepseek.com/quick_start/agent_integrations...

The npm install of Claude Code deprecated, since Feb 2026.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by zozbot234 »

rjh29 wrote: post #92
zozbot234 wrote: post #40

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antirez's ds4-agent works quite fine. It runs on any Apple Silicon device with 96GB RAM or more.

I wonder how many years it'll take for the API token cost to exceed the money spent on ram.

The DS4 folks are unofficially testing ways to run the model with lower performance on lower-RAM machines. Similar efforts are going on with llama.cpp. The results are a bit of a challenge, prefill time tends to explode which is a limitation if you care about agentic workflows.
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