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Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by dividedbyzero »

kridsdale1 wrote: post #69
dividedbyzero wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose if it all works out it'll end up way more expensive than the employees the models displaced ever were. These kinds of technologies usually end up as an oligopoly at best, and those players will have a wide moat by then, and the things these models build will be tweaked such that no other model or human being can realistically work on them anymore, and then they can price gouge everyone to the brink of unpro…

At least the models don’t need health insurance, office space, a cafeteria, or have a threat of unionizing.

The model provider would be like a union, at least if unions had absolute control over their members, could take them all away at any time forever with no substantial negative consequences to itself, and spend billions on employer lock-in so switching to the competition is worse than paying the 12% model salary raise.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by relevant_stats »

So, snippet from the article says the following:

> I understand that Microsoft is planning to remove most of its Claude Code licenses and push many of its developers to use Copilot CLI instead. While Claude Code has been a popular addition, it has also undermined Microsoft’s new GitHub Copilot CLI coding tool — a command line version of GitHub Copilot that runs outside of development apps like Visual Studio Code.

And people here are interpreting this as related mainly to the Claude burning too much tokens too quickly and suggesting Microsoft should rather use SomeOtherLLM©?

Is this Hacker News or rather Marketing Wars?

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by michaelbuckbee »

KronisLV wrote: post #89
tra3 wrote: post #5

There's definitely a way to use Claude code that is token conscious. I've tried throwing unsupervised agentic software factory workflows against the wall, and they burned through my tokens like nobody's business but didn't produce much. Supervised, human-in-the-loop process on the other hand is much more productive but doesn't consume nearly as much. Maybe that's why everyone's pushing agentic approaches so much.

> There's definitely a way to use Claude code that is token conscious. Colleague used Sonnet 4.6 on some pretty normal agentic coding tasks through AWS Bedrock to keep the data in the EU, 100 EUR usage in a single day. In comparison, the Mistral subscription costs about 20 EUR per month and we tested that for similar tasks it was okay , the usage got to around 10% of that monthly limit in a single day. Or Anthropic's…

I was trying to get a better sense of the time cost quality matrix of these, so I threw together a quick eval of Sonnet 4.6, Mistral's dev model, and Opus 4.7 (figuring it's what you'd use if you were on Max).

The results for a function implementation and test of levenshtein distance in js are pretty similar but Mistral is 30x cheaper than Opus 4.7 and 4x faster than Sonnet 4.6.

https://5m6qnuhyde.evvl.io/

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by [deleted] »

KronisLV wrote: post #89
tra3 wrote: post #5

There's definitely a way to use Claude code that is token conscious. I've tried throwing unsupervised agentic software factory workflows against the wall, and they burned through my tokens like nobody's business but didn't produce much. Supervised, human-in-the-loop process on the other hand is much more productive but doesn't consume nearly as much. Maybe that's why everyone's pushing agentic approaches so much.

> There's definitely a way to use Claude code that is token conscious. Colleague used Sonnet 4.6 on some pretty normal agentic coding tasks through AWS Bedrock to keep the data in the EU, 100 EUR usage in a single day. In comparison, the Mistral subscription costs about 20 EUR per month and we tested that for similar tasks it was okay , the usage got to around 10% of that monthly limit in a single day. Or Anthropic's…

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Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by RobRivera »

relevant_stats wrote: post #102

So, snippet from the article says the following: > I understand that Microsoft is planning to remove most of its Claude Code licenses and push many of its developers to use Copilot CLI instead. While Claude Code has been a popular addition, it has also undermined Microsoft’s new GitHub Copilot CLI coding tool — a command line version of GitHub Copilot that runs outside of development apps like Visual Studio Code. And…

Por que no los dos?

Eso mensaje de hijo de Carlos

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by QuiEgo »

kridsdale1 wrote: post #71
QuiEgo wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no world where I can put my company’s data through an external site without their express consent and security sign off. I suspect at most companies there’s zero path for people to have been paying for it themselves.

An enormous percentage of America’s white collar work force has been doing this since 2023. Fun fact, up until you face a consequence for crime, all crime is free! Have fun and go win the competition game against your co-workers.

Fair, but I assume everything on my work laptop is key logged. Surely they would notice Claude phoning home from my company laptop? I suspect a network rule to look for that traffic is trivial?

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by basch »

sidewndr46 wrote: post #79
SubiculumCode wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the enterprise level though, its going to be hard to want to use a service in which costs are not predictable, and keeping those costs under control requires employee training.

Am I losing my mind, aren't there multiple headlines each day about companies penalizing employees for not using AI enough?

since those headlines started ive felt it just encouraged inefficiency. "say as much as you can without saying anything." if you were accomplishing your task the need for more would end, thus there is incentive to never succeed.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by relevant_stats »

RobRivera wrote: post #105
relevant_stats wrote: post #102

So, snippet from the article says the following: > I understand that Microsoft is planning to remove most of its Claude Code licenses and push many of its developers to use Copilot CLI instead. While Claude Code has been a popular addition, it has also undermined Microsoft’s new GitHub Copilot CLI coding tool — a command line version of GitHub Copilot that runs outside of development apps like Visual Studio Code. And…

Por que no los dos? Eso mensaje de hijo de Carlos

Äh, was?

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by hedgehog »

brookst wrote: post #45
tra3 wrote: post #5

There's definitely a way to use Claude code that is token conscious. I've tried throwing unsupervised agentic software factory workflows against the wall, and they burned through my tokens like nobody's business but didn't produce much. Supervised, human-in-the-loop process on the other hand is much more productive but doesn't consume nearly as much. Maybe that's why everyone's pushing agentic approaches so much.

I get 98.6% cache hits on Claude code. Short of drastic arch changes it’s hard to imagine it getting much better.

You pay for cache hits on every turn and even with the newest architectures longer context is slower/more energy intensive. Constructing concise turns that reuse prefix and stop when the new context is no longer useful help, as does pushing generation down into cheaper models while using stronger models for verification.

Re: Microsoft starts canceling Claude Code licenses

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Post by sidewndr46 »

iSnow wrote: post #90
sidewndr46 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I losing my mind, aren't there multiple headlines each day about companies penalizing employees for not using AI enough?

That was roughly 3 weeks ago, with the reprising of Claude 4.7 and GPT 5.5, things have become more spicy.

use AI, don't use AI, this whole thing is getting really hard to follow
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