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Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by varjag »

dude250711 wrote: post #30
pj_mukh wrote: post #19

This is a weird fantasy among the literati that AI is a "scam", that we can "expose" them with lots of palace intrigue coverage and SBF or Elizabeth Holmes them away and then everything will be right in the world. Some of the best models are Chinese and Open-source and so-so good and Sam Altman is wholly irrelevant to them. Some folks are in for a very rude awakening.

Trying to justify current valuations by misrepresenting current model capabilities is a scam. A fair valuation of ~$5B each for Anthropic and OpenAI for the occasionally useful tools that they had created would be more reasonable.

Come on. LinkedIn was bought for 6B.

Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by monocasa »

trotro wrote: post #40
dude250711 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trying to justify current valuations by misrepresenting current model capabilities is a scam. A fair valuation of ~$5B each for Anthropic and OpenAI for the occasionally useful tools that they had created would be more reasonable.

These companies are selling subscriptions for what is basically AGI, yet you think they should have the same valuation as Crocs (yes, the footwear company) ?

> These companies are selling subscriptions for what is basically AGI

That is the point under contention.

Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by heipei »

dude250711 wrote: post #30
pj_mukh wrote: post #19

This is a weird fantasy among the literati that AI is a "scam", that we can "expose" them with lots of palace intrigue coverage and SBF or Elizabeth Holmes them away and then everything will be right in the world. Some of the best models are Chinese and Open-source and so-so good and Sam Altman is wholly irrelevant to them. Some folks are in for a very rude awakening.

Trying to justify current valuations by misrepresenting current model capabilities is a scam. A fair valuation of ~$5B each for Anthropic and OpenAI for the occasionally useful tools that they had created would be more reasonable.

$5B valuation on a $30B run rate for Anthropic?

Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by root_axis »

trotro wrote: post #40
dude250711 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trying to justify current valuations by misrepresenting current model capabilities is a scam. A fair valuation of ~$5B each for Anthropic and OpenAI for the occasionally useful tools that they had created would be more reasonable.

These companies are selling subscriptions for what is basically AGI, yet you think they should have the same valuation as Crocs (yes, the footwear company) ?

> These companies are selling subscriptions for what is basically AGI

This type of rhetoric is exactly why people think it's a scam

Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by dominotw »

alsetmusic wrote: post #35
ryandrake wrote: post #20

"When elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers." There's really nobody for normal people to root for in this battle. They're fighting over who gets to wield the dick that is going to screw us all.

> There's really nobody for normal people to root for in this battle. I believe the reports that Sam Altman is an egomaniacal liar. But I haven't been privy to any of it other than seeing him hype his company's tech in a clearly dishonest manner. That's not great. I've seen Elon be an active piece of shit, white nationalist, conspiracy promoter, etc, for years. I don't root for Sam Altman. I root against Elon. In a d…

I think paul graham needs to really come clean about why he did this

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41034829

Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by grey-area »

trotro wrote: post #40
dude250711 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trying to justify current valuations by misrepresenting current model capabilities is a scam. A fair valuation of ~$5B each for Anthropic and OpenAI for the occasionally useful tools that they had created would be more reasonable.

These companies are selling subscriptions for what is basically AGI, yet you think they should have the same valuation as Crocs (yes, the footwear company) ?

It’s nowhere near AGI, and LLMs are not going to lead to it either.

They do seem to be good at fooling people though.

Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by pdonis »

ryandrake wrote: post #20

"When elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers." There's really nobody for normal people to root for in this battle. They're fighting over who gets to wield the dick that is going to screw us all.

While I have a great deal of sympathy for this point of view, I think the article makes an interesting observation that suggests it actually doesn't matter whether these people are intentionally trying to screw everybody or not--the actual problem is much bigger even than that:

To claim that OpenAI’s mission of cultivating beneficial A.I. was compromised by Sam Altman is to let the entire industry off the hook. Yes, Altman seems to have a rather casual relationship with the truth. But it is far more interesting, complicated, and useful to take his self-defense at face value—to interpret the many sins of OpenAI, and its competitors, as the result of a good-faith exercise in futility. What if we imagined that he did in fact set out to do good? And discovered—or, perhaps better, failed to discover—along the way that this was structurally impossible?

Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by trollbridge »

trotro wrote: post #40
dude250711 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trying to justify current valuations by misrepresenting current model capabilities is a scam. A fair valuation of ~$5B each for Anthropic and OpenAI for the occasionally useful tools that they had created would be more reasonable.

These companies are selling subscriptions for what is basically AGI, yet you think they should have the same valuation as Crocs (yes, the footwear company) ?

... where can I get a subscription to this AGI?

Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by nightski »

ryandrake wrote: post #20

"When elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers." There's really nobody for normal people to root for in this battle. They're fighting over who gets to wield the dick that is going to screw us all.

It's too valuable of a tech to remain in the control of any corporation. Open models will find a way. Compute requirements will go down and there will be many of us making it a priority to transform the tech into something open like the Linux kernel vs a closed cloud tech.

Nvidia has 75% profit margins right now. That won't continue forever. It may take quite some time but it will normalize.

Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by graemep »

alsetmusic wrote: post #35
ryandrake wrote: post #20

"When elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers." There's really nobody for normal people to root for in this battle. They're fighting over who gets to wield the dick that is going to screw us all.

> There's really nobody for normal people to root for in this battle. I believe the reports that Sam Altman is an egomaniacal liar. But I haven't been privy to any of it other than seeing him hype his company's tech in a clearly dishonest manner. That's not great. I've seen Elon be an active piece of shit, white nationalist, conspiracy promoter, etc, for years. I don't root for Sam Altman. I root against Elon. In a d…

> I've seen Elon be an active piece of shit, white nationalist, conspiracy promoter, etc, for years. I don't root for Sam Altman. I root against Elon.

A stopped clock is right twice a day Even Elon is sometimes right.

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