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Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by Curosinono »

E.H. promised her investors a magic cure -> sharlatan

Sam B. stole money from everyone -> thief

Sam A. did what?

And Musk wanted to do the same thing. Both agreeded, that a non profit will not make enough money to push the frontier. He is only pissed that he didn't get control of openai and he is now pissed again because he apparently should have done the lawsuite a few years back. Despite him having unlimited money and probably very good laywers

I'm not here to defend the richest of the richest, but E.H. and S.B. are complet different storries to OpenAI

Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by epistasis »

vlucas wrote: post #8

Sam didn't "win" the case in the sense that most people will think of when reading this headline. In the 20th paragraph of the linked article, finally getting to the actual reason: > On Monday, the jury took only two hours to reach its verdict. Musk’s complaint, the panel found, had indeed exceeded the statute of limitations Musk is appealing. This fight is far from over.

This case should have never made it to a jury, there is no case here.

The judge was cowed by Musk's fame to even bring this to trial, I think. It's an example of how the justice system works differently for this with more wealth and power. There is no case, just massive ego from a person with massive wealth.

Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by kryptiskt »

vlucas wrote: post #8

Sam didn't "win" the case in the sense that most people will think of when reading this headline. In the 20th paragraph of the linked article, finally getting to the actual reason: > On Monday, the jury took only two hours to reach its verdict. Musk’s complaint, the panel found, had indeed exceeded the statute of limitations Musk is appealing. This fight is far from over.

That Musk couldn't even get over the first stumbling block which is the statute of limitations, does not make the win any lesser. It makes it more decisive, since Musk now has to overcome that hurdle before even having a shot at the meat of the case.

Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by dathinab »

vlucas wrote: post #8

Sam didn't "win" the case in the sense that most people will think of when reading this headline. In the 20th paragraph of the linked article, finally getting to the actual reason: > On Monday, the jury took only two hours to reach its verdict. Musk’s complaint, the panel found, had indeed exceeded the statute of limitations Musk is appealing. This fight is far from over.

or it is pretty much over before it even began, because he sued way too late...

Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by lokar »

vlucas wrote: post #8

Sam didn't "win" the case in the sense that most people will think of when reading this headline. In the 20th paragraph of the linked article, finally getting to the actual reason: > On Monday, the jury took only two hours to reach its verdict. Musk’s complaint, the panel found, had indeed exceeded the statute of limitations Musk is appealing. This fight is far from over.

What is the substance of the appeal? IANAL, but AIUI, it's pretty hard to appeal a finding of fact from a jury.

Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by ScoobleDoodle »

kryptiskt wrote: post #13
vlucas wrote: post #8

Sam didn't "win" the case in the sense that most people will think of when reading this headline. In the 20th paragraph of the linked article, finally getting to the actual reason: > On Monday, the jury took only two hours to reach its verdict. Musk’s complaint, the panel found, had indeed exceeded the statute of limitations Musk is appealing. This fight is far from over.

That Musk couldn't even get over the first stumbling block which is the statute of limitations, does not make the win any lesser. It makes it more decisive, since Musk now has to overcome that hurdle before even having a shot at the meat of the case.

I think parent probably means winning on merit or a sense of justice. As in won for a deserved reason rather than a technicality. The technicality here is exceeded the statute of limitations.

A win in any manner isn’t landing the same for observers as winning for a just reason.

Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by WarmWash »

vlucas wrote: post #8

Sam didn't "win" the case in the sense that most people will think of when reading this headline. In the 20th paragraph of the linked article, finally getting to the actual reason: > On Monday, the jury took only two hours to reach its verdict. Musk’s complaint, the panel found, had indeed exceeded the statute of limitations Musk is appealing. This fight is far from over.

It's rare that judge's overturn jury verdicts, compared to other judge's verdicts. The constitution leans a lot on jury verdicts, and judges tend to respect that.

Re: Sam Altman Won in Court Against Elon Musk. But, We All Lost

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Post by pj_mukh »

This is a weird fantasy among the literati that AI is a "scam", that we can "expose" them with lots of palace intrigue coverage and SBF or Elizabeth Holmes them away and then everything will be right in the world. Some of the best models are Chinese and Open-source and so-so good and Sam Altman is wholly irrelevant to them.

Some folks are in for a very rude awakening.

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