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Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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Student’s Social Security number? Why does the school need the student's SSN? Why not just brand the kids?

Do kids even have SSN's?

In the countries I've lived and worked in, you don't get such a number until you want to file a tax return, so usually somewhere around age 15 (depending on the country)

Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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post #41
post #4

Student’s Social Security number? Why does the school need the student's SSN? Why not just brand the kids?

Do kids even have SSN's? In the countries I've lived and worked in, you don't get such a number until you want to file a tax return, so usually somewhere around age 15 (depending on the country)

Yes, SSN's get assigned shortly after birth.

Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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post #8

I'm not sure I see the difference between this program and a company that distributes a similar system for employees to track all the same information?

Minors are more easily indoctrinated into accepting that sort of thing. Employers who do this are being just as antisocial and psychopathic as this school district; the difference is that adults are mature enough to say, "This is not right," whereas children will grow up thinking, "This is how the world works, I better accept it."

"Employers who do this are being just as antisocial and psychopathic as this school district"

Because using rfid badges to unlock doors at an office building/control and log access to server rooms, etc is a psychopathic and antisocial thing to do

Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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“Regimes in the past have always started with the schools, where they develop a compliant citizenry,” Whitehead continued. “These ‘Student Locator’ programs are ultimately aimed at getting students used to living in a total surveillance state where there will be no privacy, and wherever you go and whatever you text or email will be watched by the government.” This raises a very valid concern. Human beings aren't catt…

Perhaps it's time the school district brought back the flag salute to better illustrate the relation it wishes to create between citizens and their state.

Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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post #8

I'm not sure I see the difference between this program and a company that distributes a similar system for employees to track all the same information?

Well, for one thing, the school is an arm of government, not a private party. We allow private parties to do all sorts of things we don't allow governments to do.

But it's a magnet school which means the student is choosing to be there. She could attend the public school that does not have RFID readers.

Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, for one thing, the school is an arm of government, not a private party. We allow private parties to do all sorts of things we don't allow governments to do.

But it's a magnet school which means the student is choosing to be there. She could attend the public school that does not have RFID readers.

This doesn't change the legal issue in dispute -- whether someone can be compelled to give up a basic civil right in exchange for attending the school she wants to attend.

Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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post #5

“Regimes in the past have always started with the schools, where they develop a compliant citizenry,” Whitehead continued. “These ‘Student Locator’ programs are ultimately aimed at getting students used to living in a total surveillance state where there will be no privacy, and wherever you go and whatever you text or email will be watched by the government.” This raises a very valid concern. Human beings aren't catt…

You know, my understanding is that when the form of our modern US school system was imported from Prussia many of the people advocating it were praising it's ability to turn out the sort of regimented, disciplined people required to staff factories.

Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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The RFID tags are used for attendance tracking and other various tasks. ALL of the schools in the Bexar county area have students who have to wear ID tags on their shirts. The gang problems here are pretty high, they don't want people that look like students to just walk in and start problems. True, it wont stop a student from just handing an id card to another person to walk around in, but the teacher will record the student as absent and the office will see where the student is if they are in school.

Checkpoints aren't near the bathrooms, but they are in the halways and the last time I heard, they were in the rooms as well.

This is also a test by only these two schools. If it passes, they will use them in the entire county, otherwise they will abandon the project all together.

I don't necessarily believe that she should be using the "Mark of the Beast" excuse. But this does cut REALLY close to invasion of privacy.

Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it's a magnet school which means the student is choosing to be there. She could attend the public school that does not have RFID readers.

This doesn't change the legal issue in dispute -- whether someone can be compelled to give up a basic civil right in exchange for attending the school she wants to attend.

Is it a basic civil right? To not be monitored in school? Schools have cameras, they have security guards, they have teachers watching you constantly, they have screen monitoring software on the computers, they have locker searches, and all of these have been upheld as Constitutional because in a school, students have no right to privacy.

Whether this particular case (which admittedly is different from other privacy cases I've seen), the girl is choosing to be at this school. The school gave her the option to opt out of the program and just have a normal card, and she refused. The school then gave her another option, which is to return to the school she is legally required to attend rather than the one she is choosing to attend. That seems more than reasonable to me.

Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag

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“Regimes in the past have always started with the schools, where they develop a compliant citizenry,” Whitehead continued. “These ‘Student Locator’ programs are ultimately aimed at getting students used to living in a total surveillance state where there will be no privacy, and wherever you go and whatever you text or email will be watched by the government.” This raises a very valid concern. Human beings aren't catt…

Judge Whitehead must have never stepped into an office building in the last 10 years. RFID-enabled ID badges are standard at offices around the world and schools are lagging behind if anything.

Ah, but it's one thing to have it done by an employer with which one has voluntarily entered into an agreement; it's quite another to have it done by the government.
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