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Samsung chip workers will get an average $340k bonus as AI profits soar

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Re: Samsung chip workers will get an average $340k bonus as AI profits soar

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Post by LPisGood »

xyzzy123 wrote: post #14
bayarearefugee wrote: post #6

Meanwhile tech workers in the US spend all day online defending billionaires who wouldn't piss on them to put out a fire and arguing about why we can't have unions because blah blah blah rugged individualism.

I find this complaint hard to square when US developers earn "moon money" compared to both: a) fields requiring similar levels of expertise like EE or Mech-E and b) international developers in similar roles. Plus, equity. [GIF of Woody Harrelson wiping tears with money]

Professional athletes and pilots have unions. They both make considerably more than your average programmer, even in FAANG and even with equity.

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Post by LastTrain »

skybrian wrote: post #36
nielsbot wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

are you saying workers should show gratitude to their employers?

Yes, if you're treated well. It was a fair deal. More than fair, generous. I can't point to anything I did that was worth so much. You seem surprised? Do you know how things (sometimes) work in Silicon Valley?

No, despite working there and (apparently) making too much money to complain. Spell it out for us please.

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Post by anon291 »

nielsbot wrote: post #31
anon291 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well yeah America has achieved what the communists sought: public ownership of the means of production . Today most of the American public owns the largest means of production in government advantaged accounts. Marx ought to be proud

I want to smoke what you’re smoking!

I'm just starting from first principles on a debate that has ended up being more about neurological orientation rather than anything substantive.

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Post by LastTrain »

foxglacier wrote: post #37
plemer wrote: post #24

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But who will protect the interests of capital??

I think you mean who will protect the interests of the consumer? That's ultimately who loses to unions. There's no direct ethical value in protecting businesses or their owners but workers and consumers include pretty much all humans and their interests are in tension with each other.

I mean if that is your measure, then consumers lose more to capital than organized labor.

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Post by anon291 »

yogthos wrote: post #21
anon291 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well yeah America has achieved what the communists sought: public ownership of the means of production . Today most of the American public owns the largest means of production in government advantaged accounts. Marx ought to be proud

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/wealthiest-10-americans-own-9...

The idea that communism means that everyone owns everything equally is retarded. Communes themselves don't do this. People with more stake get more ownership

This corresponds to the first stage of Marxs theorized progession from capitalism too communism

Done hate the messenger. I'm just taking what I read and applying it to observed reality and telling you it fit.

Self described commies are dumb because they are incapable of enacting the very system they claim to idealize.

Re: Samsung chip workers will get an average $340k bonus as AI profits soar

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Post by aetherspawn »

Adiqq wrote: post #38
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #25

That's literally insane for Korean living standards. Those people can basically retire

Imagine the world, where instead of making billionaires and trillionaires, we would actually share with society. Providing affordable products/services to common people. Decommodification of life. There's no money for public investments, but there is always money for wars. There's no money for raises and bonuses for workers, until workers show there's no company without them. So, if there's no money for public invest…

Engineers are awful at advocating for themselves, and that’s why they study and work twice as hard as lawyers and finance, have less perks (travel, food, cars, private offices) yet they get paid half as much.

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Post by dfxm12 »

xyzzy123 wrote: post #14
bayarearefugee wrote: post #6

Meanwhile tech workers in the US spend all day online defending billionaires who wouldn't piss on them to put out a fire and arguing about why we can't have unions because blah blah blah rugged individualism.

I find this complaint hard to square when US developers earn "moon money" compared to both: a) fields requiring similar levels of expertise like EE or Mech-E and b) international developers in similar roles. Plus, equity. [GIF of Woody Harrelson wiping tears with money]

Why are you pitting workers against each other?

Developers don't set EE wages. It's always the management class that is the source of your woes, not your fellow workers. We're in this together.

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Post by arjie »

Adiqq wrote: post #38
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #25

That's literally insane for Korean living standards. Those people can basically retire

Imagine the world, where instead of making billionaires and trillionaires, we would actually share with society. Providing affordable products/services to common people. Decommodification of life. There's no money for public investments, but there is always money for wars. There's no money for raises and bonuses for workers, until workers show there's no company without them. So, if there's no money for public invest…

People are billionaires because they “share with society”. They take a small fraction of the wealth and surplus they create. If you create $6 of value for every American and capture half of it you are a billionaire.

“Public investments” besides are heavily spent on. The majority of the US federal budget goes to welfare. If you want new infrastructure and so on, the primary blockers are the universal veto powers we hand normal people.

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Post by [deleted] »

aetherspawn wrote: post #47
Adiqq wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine the world, where instead of making billionaires and trillionaires, we would actually share with society. Providing affordable products/services to common people. Decommodification of life. There's no money for public investments, but there is always money for wars. There's no money for raises and bonuses for workers, until workers show there's no company without them. So, if there's no money for public invest…

Engineers are awful at advocating for themselves, and that’s why they study and work twice as hard as lawyers and finance, have less perks (travel, food, cars, private offices) yet they get paid half as much.

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