Enshittification and auto-update exploits are really putting a dent in peoples "Update to stay secure!" mindshare.
Google's Antigravity bait and switch
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#272Earlier quoted context omitted.
> How did Google blow their AI lead? What lead? Maybe because I'm mostly using AI/LLMs for development, but neither Google, Anthropic, xAI or anyone else has ever been in the lead, OpenAI always had the best models in my mind, as long as you're comparing the "top" plans between all of them. Besides, they all seem to shoot themselves in the foot, OpenAI included, seems the only thing that differs is how often and how…
Wow. Didn't realize OAI was astroturfing hacker news now...
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#274The app over-write thing is not good. It took me 90 minutes to get the new chat Antigravity, the new Antigravity IDE, and Antigravity CLI installed and one task done on each.
My 1 month subscription of Gemini Ultra is finished in three days and I revert to their $20/month plan. Assuming that daily and weekly quotas are OK for casual use, I will probably use AntiGravity CLI most of the time.
Off topic, but maybe interesting: during my one month test of Gemini Ultra I did several tasks in parallel to compare (old) Antigravity+Claude Opus vs. OpenCode with a fast provider for deepseek-v4-pro, kimi-k2p6, and minimax-m2p7. In almost all cases I could get stuff done in about 60% to 70% of the time using Antivravity+Claude Opus -- but!, OpenCode with the open models is so much cheaper. I get that in a work environment when someone else is paying for tokens, why not burn someone else's money. Paradoxically, I felt more relaxed after the tests with OpenCode with the open models even though I was actively doing more work myself.
EDIT: two months ago I wrote my own small coding agent in Emacs Lisp that I enjoy using. I am researching redoing my Emacs project using the new Antigravity SDK.
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#275It seems this confusing tooling change plus the new smaller quotas made enough users unsubscribe for them to hit the panic button:
https://www.reddit.com/r/google_antigravity/comments/1tjbd1e...
https://xcancel.com/_mohansolo/status/2057331857755422922
> An update: we’re 3xing the rate limits for Gemini models across all paid tiers in Antigravity and resetting everyone’s Gemini quota for the week.
> We understand some people hit their rate limits quickly and wanted to respond fast. Lots more to come and enjoy building!
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#276Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It was not until the last year or so that Anthropic started punching above their weight. Anthropic's stuff been useful for the last two years I'd say, especially in the beginning of Claude Code, but as soon as the Codex TUI was available, I was daily-driving both of them, literally executing the same prompts for each of them and comparing the final results, and Codex simply writes better code in 9/10 cases (but sti…
I was a regular Claude Code user but Codex eventually won me over due to a few factors: 1. Less interaction required over long horizon tasks. 2. You actually get the amount of tokens they advertize. It's been an open secret on r/Claude that over the last several months, due to supposed "bugs" in Claude, users on the Max plan have seen over 50% of their tokens used on a single prompt. Super annoying. 3. Really strong…
I’ve heard about that “open secret” and I don’t understand.
What’s the incentive for Anthropic to pump up the token usage on their top end plan? Is it to move Pro users up to Max? That’s the only plausible idea I can think of.
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#277Maybe it was a prank played on software industry folks by someone using an essential service whose entire customer-facing support interface was replaced with a useless, stonewalling chat bot.
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#278Earlier quoted context omitted.
can someone shed some light on the internal politics here, I thought anti-gravity was what the acqui-hired windsurf leadership team shipped?
All I know is internally they were recommending people use Gemini CLI until they switched to recommending Jetski/Windsurf CLI. Even before that, I could tell Jetski was way ahead, but still people from Gemini CLI were trying to convince me to use it.
Jetski/Antigravity is a better piece of software. The Gemini CLI codebase looks like someone tried to vibe-code a Claude code clone in nodeJS, as it's simply not maintainable.
That being said, until recently Gemini CLI was better. It had support for persistent policies on what code could run without asking and had good extension hooks to allow you write extensions that influence policy (to perform complex logic like rewriting tool calls before they are executed).
Antimatter/Jetski only recently added support for remembering what commands are "always allowed" between sessions, the extension framework (excuse me, "plugins") has fewer features, and hooks have much less power than with Gemini CLI (and can't come bundled with extensions).
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#279I was surprised people were so willing to jump to closed source IDEs just for access to coding agents. The trade-off you pay for tight integration between the IDE and the coding agent is lock-in because the barrier to switching IDEs is nontrivial. Your coding environment stands a lower chance of disruption when you use an open source IDE with a CLI agent. Yes it's slightly annoying to separate the agent from the IDE…
Closed source IDEs are if anything the norm: Visual Studio, Android Studio, XCode, IntelliJ, CLion, PyCharm, etc... Even in the "fancy text editor" category things like Sublime were always popular enough.
You’re not coding in Vim?!?! /s
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#280Reminds me of my dad's experience with google nest hub a few months ago. He called it the best product google's ever made until an over the air update killed the video call feature he used to talk to his grand kids. Brutal.
The Google lover to Google hater pipeline is still going strong.