So what does this girl do when she grows up and wants to do things like get a job, use public transit, drive across a toll bridge, or get a passport? RFID is just part of the world now and it's not entirely clear why schools should be any different.
Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag
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#32I'm not sure I see the difference between this program and a company that distributes a similar system for employees to track all the same information?
Well, for one thing, the school is an arm of government, not a private party. We allow private parties to do all sorts of things we don't allow governments to do.
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#33I'm not sure I see the difference between this program and a company that distributes a similar system for employees to track all the same information?
Minors are more easily indoctrinated into accepting that sort of thing. Employers who do this are being just as antisocial and psychopathic as this school district; the difference is that adults are mature enough to say, "This is not right," whereas children will grow up thinking, "This is how the world works, I better accept it."
I don't know if you've ever worked at a company that used ID badges, but I don't know anyone who's refused employment over the issue.
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#34I must say, I'm extremely worried about the USA, and this article demonstrates why. Should we really commend someone for being unable to tell the difference between an electronic component & radio transmission system, and the magical 'mark of the beast'? I'm also pretty sure that forcing people to wear tags is going to be overturned by a judge on the point of religious freedom, not based on a common sense decision. A…
You mention 'cost saving practicalities' several times in your comment, however you haven't mentioned any. I'd be interested to hear them.
I think you've missed the point of my commentary, if you think that's key here. Neither you nor I have access to that information; the school board, teachers, government workers, and parent representatives do, and they made a combined choice to implement this.
They could be wrong (and they have been before, of course) - but this family isn't arguing that. They are arguing on religious and privacy grounds.
Reductio in absurdum: take the "I won't do it because it's the mark of the beast" to it's next level (hacker news comments, library membership, news articles, theaters), and you have a dysfunctional society.
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#35“Regimes in the past have always started with the schools, where they develop a compliant citizenry,” Whitehead continued. “These ‘Student Locator’ programs are ultimately aimed at getting students used to living in a total surveillance state where there will be no privacy, and wherever you go and whatever you text or email will be watched by the government.” This raises a very valid concern. Human beings aren't catt…
Judge Whitehead must have never stepped into an office building in the last 10 years. RFID-enabled ID badges are standard at offices around the world and schools are lagging behind if anything.
Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag
#36Can't they do what my employers have always done? Make you swipe in at the door. That would earn their revenue from the state while not creating a panopticon.
Re: Judge temporarily saves girl facing suspension for refusing to wear RFID tag
#37“Regimes in the past have always started with the schools, where they develop a compliant citizenry,” Whitehead continued. “These ‘Student Locator’ programs are ultimately aimed at getting students used to living in a total surveillance state where there will be no privacy, and wherever you go and whatever you text or email will be watched by the government.” This raises a very valid concern. Human beings aren't catt…
Judge Whitehead must have never stepped into an office building in the last 10 years. RFID-enabled ID badges are standard at offices around the world and schools are lagging behind if anything.
Your comment only proves OPs point more clearly. This is normal because we do it.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Judge Whitehead must have never stepped into an office building in the last 10 years. RFID-enabled ID badges are standard at offices around the world and schools are lagging behind if anything.
Your comment only proves OPs point more clearly. This is normal because we do it .
My point is that RFID badges did not, in fact, start with the schools. I'm pretty sure that's the exact opposite of OPs point.
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#39Given the hackability of RFID, wouldn't it be faster, cheaper, and more effective to just pull some hijinx and make the school look like idiots? Also, women in tech! :-)
I'll bet that's illegal, and they'd be all over you for a "privacy violation".
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
Judge Whitehead must have never stepped into an office building in the last 10 years. RFID-enabled ID badges are standard at offices around the world and schools are lagging behind if anything.
Your comment only proves OPs point more clearly. This is normal because we do it .
"This is normal because we do it" pretty much is the definition of what normal means. Of course normal doesn't always mean good.