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Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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I’ve almost entirely given up on managing music. Just done with it. I listen to soma.fm and radioparadise.com .. I read one music magazine and listen to some of the music recommendations from there, but following any of it, over time, is a lost cause for me. I was just remarking to someone how music apps are the least interesting, personal, and innovative of all the things I live with. Examples: we still can’t manage…

Pandora still exists and is quite good.

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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Named tickets, like airplane seats? Sorry, I only thought about this for 5 seconds, but there are markets where scalping doesn't cause issues. We could look at those.

On the other hand, airplane ticketing is also notorious for stuff like overbooking flights with the assumption people won't show up and then in the rare circumstances where too many do show up, forcing people to give up their seats (in some cases even by force). I don't disagree with your thinking, but I'm hesitant to consider "what airplane tickets do" a good model for just about anything.

Concertgoer Bill of Rights - get bumped? Massive stipend, hotel room, free VIP ticket in future, & transportation+entry to a partner venue in the city with other music.

They haven’t all universally built in overbooking as a critical part of their competitive price structure or whatever, and we can stop it before it starts.

EU version for flights: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Passengers_Rights_Regulati...

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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music listening has been falling for a while now. no company public or not will choose to commit suicide out of purity principle

Spotify is welcome to go into all those other businesses, but why do they have to destroy their one valuable resource in an attempt to leverage it for all this other garbage? Doing one thing really good - so good that people will pay you for it - is not a "purity principle". It used to be the fundamental reason for existence for many companies.

its not garbage. podcasts is now major chunk of listening. so why not give ppl what they want. "one thing" is not just music. My own listening habits have shifted from music into podcasts.

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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Standing in line is (today) a digital process that a scalper can trivially scale

It seems unlikely they'd continue to do do that if they weren't able to flip it at a higher price later

X$ for the ticket plus a convenience fee/service fee for standing in line.

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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willingness to stand in line for a ticket probably correlates well with fandom

Standing in line is (today) a digital process that a scalper can trivially scale

Why bother if there’s no profit?

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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For those against this: I'm curious to hear your take on how you'd stop/mitigate scalping.

The only real solutions to scalping are to impact supply/demand by increasing supply (extra show in each city) or lower demand (raise prices). As a jazz fan I don’t know much about shows that sell out and attract scalpers, but I’m curious why the artists don’t double prices to cut out middlemen.

They would to multiple the prices multiple times to even discourage the middlemen, gentrifying at the same time the fan base, which is sad

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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Go back to the old way. Get in line physically and go get the tickets. This is one of those "technology should help here but actually makes the problem worse in weird ways" type of situations. Nine Inch Nails/Trent Reznor did this in 2018 and it was infinitely better (I also met a lot of people just standing in line—we recognized each other at the show later and ended up throwing each other around in the mosh pit—a g…

That excludes all fans who don't live in big cities. A lot of people travel just to go to shows.

Some people drove in. A few hardcore fans came into town (Chicago) the night before and had tents set up. There were also people coordinating with friends who did live in/close to the city to get the tickets and pay them back later.

Overall, that was the last really "old world" experience I had that reminded me why technology isn't always the right solution to a problem. Since then it's felt like this [1].

[1] https://youtu.be/fnVQlwKAuLk?si=hVr30353SlKfnyRz&t=106

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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I think its more complicated than that. An artist is pretty constrained by how many shows they can play in a given area which makes the total market for any given show really small and trivially manipulated for profit.

Then she should charge more.

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