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Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

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Re: Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That network is shared with police departments in cities outside Seattle per the article.

I encourage people imagining this as some high-scale surveillance dragnet to look at the Seattle Shield website and form their opinions https://seattleshield.org/default.aspx?MenuItemID=53&MenuGro...

Not sure if you meant to reply here?

Re: Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

#82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4chan validated in their protests against Scientology was not in my bingo card.

For people like me who had no idea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Chanology

That article has no mentioning of the tiktok speedruns?

Re: Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

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post #54

Reminder if you work for any of these companies (not unlikely on this site) you are actively enabling this. If your first reaction is doubt, deflection, rationalization or discomfort, there are ways out.

If you work for any company, you're actively enabling injustices against someone , so just make a living and don't worry so much.

This is the kind of rationalization I am referring to.

Re: Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

#85
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do our browsers even allow that?

When done properly you don't even notice! It is very beneficial when needed. But, as we know, very awful when done improperly.

> When done properly you don't even notice!

This lame argument should be added to the List of Fallacies. It's used everywhere as a "wild card" argument.

> Makeup

> MLB Pitch Framing by catchers

> Surveillance States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies?useskin=vect...

Re: Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

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I don’t understand. This seems like some version of NextDoor / neighborhood watch but for companies and larger interests in the Seattle area that might have their own security apparatus.

Why are folks jumping to some conclusions that this is some illuminati threat to democracy? Why is the article so breathless?

Re: Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

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post #66
post #54

Reminder if you work for any of these companies (not unlikely on this site) you are actively enabling this. If your first reaction is doubt, deflection, rationalization or discomfort, there are ways out.

If you make open source used by any of this companies for this network, would you also characterize it as actively enabling this? If your retirement fund owns stocks of the s&p 500, does that make you an enabler? Are there really ways out?

Its very personal and situation dependent, but I truly believe that if you work at Amazon or Facebook and do not want to support this, you can.

Re: Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

#88

Having a coalition of mega corporations all allied with each other isn't any better than having a strong government. Both are dangerous to personal liberties. I think we're due for a break up of these companies. No more Amazon, Google, Facebook, etc. We the people need to start taking power back.

No one is going to save us. I've recently been moved to direct action and started participating in a local indivisible.org group. It's had untold positive impacts on my personal mental state being with people trying to make things better, or at least slow the damage for now. Much of that is from going out and talking to random people on the street, handing out information and having conversations. Also quitting socia…

This just seems like a progressive PAC. Which, okay that's fine, but not exactly giving "weaker government" vibes, just "we want our team in charge for a bit" vibes. Happy to be proven wrong, though.

Re: Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

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post #54

Reminder if you work for any of these companies (not unlikely on this site) you are actively enabling this. If your first reaction is doubt, deflection, rationalization or discomfort, there are ways out.

If you work for any company, you're actively enabling injustices against someone , so just make a living and don't worry so much.

So work for mercenaries, and tell people “it’s just a job?”

Maybe there are shades of gray between black and white.

Re: Seattle Shield, an intelligence-sharing network operated by the Seattle police

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Looks like a nothingburger? It's unfunded. An email describes a protest without giving a framing that the site would prefer. Then it turns out that nobody knows what it does, but it might do something bad. I'm all for transparency and accountability but my assumption is that the bad things being done by LEO and intelligence are far worse than this.

My take away from the article was that this likely isn't the only public-private intelligence network propped up by local PDs; that was pretty alarming to me.

Most large businesses do this for hundreds if not thousands of years. Large open source projects do it too.

Basically any organization that does any attempt to analyze threats of any sort will have a need to collaborate with law enforcement.

Walmart does it for theft rings. Canonical does it for hacking threats targeting Ubuntu. Your bank does it for people trying to steal money.

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