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Re: Get your passwords out of Bitwarden while you still can

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I hear you, but I feel like it's a better safe than sorry situation. Exporting your passwords takes two seconds. I think you can export to an encrypted file, but I just did a plain-text json file and gpg'd it. Can't hurt to play it safe.

if you have to do the 'encrypt single plaintext file' dance at least use age[0] in 2026 [0] https://age-encryption.org/

Okaaay I'll take a look at the newfangled thingy :P

Re: Get your passwords out of Bitwarden while you still can

#152
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear you, but I feel like it's a better safe than sorry situation. Exporting your passwords takes two seconds. I think you can export to an encrypted file, but I just did a plain-text json file and gpg'd it. Can't hurt to play it safe.

if you have to do the 'encrypt single plaintext file' dance at least use age[0] in 2026 [0] https://age-encryption.org/

I’ve been using sops: https://github.com/getsops/sops

Re: Get your passwords out of Bitwarden while you still can

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Weird. I keep my KeePass database on NextCloud, and the only difference between home and phone is that on a bad network I may need a few seconds for KeePassDX on the phone to decide to use its cached copy of the database rather than the latest one. It would probably be even smoother if I used Syncthing. I assume non-technical people ought at least be able to put their KeePass files on DropBox?

> I assume non-technical people ought at least be able to put their KeePass files on DropBox? Non-technical people would not do something this complicated. They don’t even have password managers, let alone a setup like this. Shoot, even a lot of technical people (like me) wouldn’t bother with this. It’s why I pay for a cloud-based password manager.

> > I assume non-technical people ought at least be able to put their KeePass files on DropBox?

> Non-technical people would not do something this complicated. They don’t even have password managers, let alone a setup like this.

Google Drive/iCloud/OneDrive/Dropbox are already used by non-technical users - moreso than SaaS password managers.

> Shoot, even a lot of technical people (like me) wouldn’t bother with this. It’s why I pay for a cloud-based password manager.

What do you do for when you want to access some other type of file across devices, like notes or photos? If you have notes.txt on an FTP server, just put passwords.kdbx alongside it. If you're subscribing to some new service for each individual filetype you want to sync, with nothing for arbitrary files, that seems like considerably more hassle overall to me.

Re: Get your passwords out of Bitwarden while you still can

#154
post #31

I've been recommending Bitwarden for a few years now and have also been paying a yearly sub since 2022, as I always thought 10$ was a really good value. But with all this stuff coming out, I'm holding off on recommending it anymore; at least until everything calms down and the new value proposition is fully laid out. Like other folks have said, I don't think it's yet time to migrate. That being said, it doesn't hurt…

You should try hosting it yourself in docker. Absurdly easy to do if you get an llm to do it and it works very, very well. Hope they don't alter self hosting it.

This seems crazy to me. I have a home server and host lots of my own stuff. But a password manager is tier-0, it cannot fail me.

I need to access my accounts while I'm overseas - in fact I'm prompted for passwords far more often when I cross borders. I need my passwords at urgent moments like when I need to make a large bank transfer. I need passwords unexpectedly at all times when sessions expire or I need a new session for a device I've never logged in with.

If my home server went down for any reason at these critical moments it could be extremely bad. There are some kinds of outages I can't recover from without physically attending my server. And if I'm not very very careful there are some kinds of failures I cannot recover from at all - I have a working backup solution but so did every company that lost customer data before.

And this doesn't even touch on the security risk of hosting a database of credentials on a publicly available endpoint.

I need a trust hosted solution.

Re: Get your passwords out of Bitwarden while you still can

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post #59
post #41

So I have an admission here: I keep seeing HN stuff about these networked password managers and I don't quite understand the appeal. Is it because everybody else is swapping between several different computers, and you need the synchronization? I just have everything in KeepassXC, and the ciphertext is subject to the same kind of backup regime I use for other files, [edit: and also additionally] a copy kept on a USB…

Having a password manager synced to phone, desktop, laptop, browsers is handy. I used Keepass 10 years ago but I prefer integrated experiences now, particularly since I often pull them up on mobile. Also consider teams or multiple teams across an org sharing secrets. Flat files are a tough sell, so these apps eliminate almost all the hassle. We pay for a lot of 1Password accounts, and I couldn’t imagine rolling our o…

The Apple Passwords app does all this just fine. The only thing it's missing is secure notes to store my 2FA recovery codes in.

Re: Get your passwords out of Bitwarden while you still can

#156
post #45

I switched to Apple Passwords this week. Really good passkey support, 2FA support, best iOS integration. You can even share passwords with others. Sadly no first party cli support. If you only use Apple devices, it’s really solid.

The only thing it's missing for me is secure notes for me to store my 2FA recovery codes in. So I mainly use Apple Passwords now, but still keep Bitwarden going for secure notes.

Re: Get your passwords out of Bitwarden while you still can

#157

I'm taking a "wait and see" approach with Bitwarden. I've been a paying customer for a while, happy with it, and hoping the leadership changes won't be too user hostile. Still, a major reason I chose Bitwarden to begin with is they have a decent "Export" button, and all of this news reminded me that my offline backup of the vault was a few months old. Regardless of their product roadmap, they could have an incident t…

I have been paying for Bitwarden (BW) premium since 2019 and earlier this year decided to move away from BW due to the password filling becoming somewhat hit-and-miss (even on a fresh install), along with taking its time to do so.

Had previously used Enpass in the past and was pleased to see how much it had improved since then. Also allows me several choices when it comes to where I store my vaults. And fills passwords quickly and efficiently in comparison to BW.

So I've migrated fully to Enpass - clients everywhere, browser plugins available, and it just works.

With this news, it now looks as though my migration was somewhat prescient.

I also use KeypassXC as a backup on USB should it ever be needed.

Re: Get your passwords out of Bitwarden while you still can

#158
post #77

Serious question - how come free is a requirement for a password manager? Everyone's gotta eat, including the maintainers of password managers. Tech has generous TC, lots of high-end laptops and phones worth thousands, AI & cloud spend, and yet the only acceptable price for secrets management is $0 it seems at times.

If I had to pay for everything I use.

Re: Get your passwords out of Bitwarden while you still can

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I'm taking a "wait and see" approach with Bitwarden. I've been a paying customer for a while, happy with it, and hoping the leadership changes won't be too user hostile. Still, a major reason I chose Bitwarden to begin with is they have a decent "Export" button, and all of this news reminded me that my offline backup of the vault was a few months old. Regardless of their product roadmap, they could have an incident t…

I have been paying for Bitwarden (BW) premium since 2019 and earlier this year decided to move away from BW due to the password filling becoming somewhat hit-and-miss (even on a fresh install), along with taking its time to do so. Had previously used Enpass in the past and was pleased to see how much it had improved since then. Also allows me several choices when it comes to where I store my vaults. And fills passwor…

Just to add - in my experience, exporting from Bitwarden loses a bunch of things - attachments, passkeys and a few obtuse items.

This isn't a good - particularly as passkeys are effectively just certs - migrators should be aware of those caveats.

Re: Get your passwords out of Bitwarden while you still can

#160
post #86

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They promised an "always free" option. People committed to the service based on that. Many companies offer a free tier and a paid tier and are willing to incur the cost of users who will never convert. If a company doesn't actually intend to keep it "always free" they shouldn't make the promise in the first place

I think a company has to be able to change its commitment, but should not screw users at the same time. For example, if they want to remove the free plan, why not, strategy can change with context, the world is moving around the company, so then remove it for new users not existing ones and it's all good.

Maybe that's fair but that's not what's happening here.
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