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Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by Aurornis »

jsmith45 wrote: post #237
salomonk_mur wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. This will likely never ship with all the bloat. Custom AI model, custom OS, extremely custom architecture (2 "main" processors running independently...), barely reuses any of the previous work from Flipper Zero.

A combined MPU and MCU architecture isn't that exotic. ST microelectronics currently sells a single chip with that contains a two core Cortex A7 Microprocessor combined with a microcontroller. Admittedly more tightly integrated with ability to communicate via shared memory. The "custom os" part could also be done easilly enough with the correct approach. Specifically systemd has a less-known feature known as system e…

> A combined MPU and MCU architecture isn't that exotic. ST microelectronics currently sells a single chip with that contains a two core Cortex A7 Microprocessor combined with a microcontroller. Admittedly more tightly integrated with ability to communicate via shared memory.

Don't underestimate the value of that integration.

With the hybrid architecture chips you get the vendor controls for managing the MCU with supporting documentation. ST is good at this.

This isn't the same thing. It's two chips running side by side. It's possible to set it all up so that the Linux chip can control everything you need to manage the MCU, but it's not easy. There are a lot of edge cases to think about and things that need to be handled manually.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by ololobus »

d3Xt3r wrote: post #2

Cool, but I think they're holding themselves back with that weird form-factor. I would've preferred if they'd included a full QWERTY keyboard, like the the GPD Pocket 4[1] or the GPD Win Mini. With a proper keyboard, I could write code on the go, easily edit files, navigate a terminal and mess with things... and do so much more in general. Also, 8GB RAM is barely enough these days, whereas the GPD comes with upto 64G…

Idk, with the One they already seem to try to claim too many things for a single device. Adding a keyboard and a bigger screen will be even bigger scope creep. As a Zero user, I really like the compact form-factor

And just personal imo, for coding on the go something like macbook air seems to be a way more comfortable option. I know that you wrote that you fit gpd in you pants, but man, you know that this use case is even more niche than flipper zero

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Post by tmountain »

salomonk_mur wrote: post #111
embedding-shape wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but also like the definition of project scope creep. To me it seems like the opposite, it has more connectivity and I/O than the Zero, but also scaled down, while using better materials, like they decided to outsource the project scope creep to the community, which makes sense to me.

Man, they put 2 processors in the thing and are building their own OS. They even say they are not sure how to get it accomplished. Scope creep to hell and back. Could just let the device get turned off like literally any other device on earth, and not have to build a whole new fucking OS to get it running. They even - for some reason - want to waste time "training their own AI model because general ones don't cut it"…

Big dreamers, which is awesome, but they need a disciplined PM type team member to bring them down to Earth (ROI analysis on their roadmap).

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Post by chupasaurus »

cobolcomesback wrote: post #208
zhovner wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm the author of this text. It was originaly writen in a mix of russian and english WITHOUT the AI and then polished and translated by editors. Here is the original draft https://blog.flipper.net/p/b5b7e9f8-a99f-4393-bf72-23fe5a42e...

Sorry but I call bullshit. There’s em-dashes all over, even in your original text. Were the editors or translators an AI? Did the editors use AI to “polish” it? The emojis used in the bullet points (which are missing from your original text, but were added in at some point) are also dead giveaways that AI was involved here.

Then eat a pile of different dashes made by the same guy back in 2013 [0].

[0] https://habr.com/ru/articles/191654/

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Post by panja »

Joel_Mckay wrote: post #288
Deprogrammer9 wrote: post #263

What about LoRa (Long Range)? that would be perfect for the Flipper Zero! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LoRa

LoRa is not an open physical layer protocol standard, but rather an interesting niche chip product from a small manufacturer. Like all unicorn chip products, setting up a link in SDR is not officially supported without violating IP rights. =3

You can get LoRa concentrators in m.2 form factor, so it shouldn't be that difficult to implement with what they are announcing.

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Post by klik99 »

"Build the most open and best-documented ARM computer in the world, with full mainline Linux kernel support." ... "the HDMI port is proprietary and requires licensing fees"

Are they upstreaming opensource HDMI 2.1 support? I mean I'm sure they're not, since they paid the toll, just feels they're not totally sticking to their guns. It's the kind of choice that shows if you really mean what you say. The more that won't license, the better chance of actually getting open drivers for common technology.

None of this takes away from how awesome this looks. Very excited by all this.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by arjie »

I have a Flipper Zero and these guys made a great tool, so I clicked this headline because it said "we need your help". After scrolling two pages I couldn't find what they need my help with, though. I scrolled to the end and couldn't find it there either. If I'm being honest, I like their stuff but not enough to dig through 8 pages of content to find out what helping means.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by Aurornis »

azalemeth wrote: post #5

This looks flippin' amazing, but also like the definition of project scope creep. I imagine it will be brilliant, unaffordable, surprisingly cheap, terrible and awesome (in both senses of the word) all at the same time. 3GPP really needs a light shining through it. I sincerely hope I work out a way of getting someone else to buy the thing for me. And the push towards all in-tree source is fantastic. Genuinely impress…

> surprisingly cheap,

What would you consider surprisingly cheap?

Their last product announcement was the BUSY bar, a desktop timer with a display to show that you're busy. Pre-orders launched at $250 but they dropped the price to $219. Has not shipped yet: https://busy.app/

The Flipper One specs are significantly more expensive to manufacture than the Flipper Zero or Busy Bar. I don't think this will be a surprisingly cheap product.

I do think it's cool that they're building the product they want to build and letting cost be a secondary factor.

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Post by petterroea »

This makes me think of "The homer" from the Simpsons[1]. The scope creep is insane. But in this case, I think I may be homer. I may buy this, and feel like a glutton for doing so.

Living in Japan I've avoided Flipper Zero due to the law basically saying "It is illegal to own tools primarily used for crime" (think lockpicks, etc). With Flipper Zero primarily being a RFID hacking tool, you are one officer knowing what it is and considering it a tool for crime away from being locked up - at least for the 21 days they get while they investigate you.

Now Flipper One seems like something probably legal.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPc-VEqBPHI

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