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AI is just unauthorised plagiarism at a bigger scale

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Re: AI is just unauthorised plagiarism at a bigger scale

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Yeah, I think we are at the point where copyright doesn't exist anymore, at least for AI

All of human knowledge (an exaggeration, I know) at our finger tips. It's the most punk rock, anarchist thing tech has done since the internet and it's funny it's shaped as a product.

If you get the impression of punk and anarchy, it's only because you're not looking any deeper than the veneer. Underneath, it's nothing like punk or anarchy.

Re: AI is just unauthorised plagiarism at a bigger scale

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You guys have fun arguing. I'm gonna be building cool stuff.

Yeah, don't let pesky discussions about ethics get in the way of building cool stuff. I'm working on paving over the Amazon rainforest so I can build the world's largest roller coaster, but for some reason people keep trying to talk me out of it. Good thing I have this bucket of sand to put my head in so I can tune them out.

You assume that I think using language models is unethical. I do not agree that it is. Now what?

Re: AI is just unauthorised plagiarism at a bigger scale

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Where was the coolness inflection point?

In the past three months I've shipped more code than I have in years. New php extension https://github.com/hparadiz/ext-gnu-grep A Demo showing how to stream webrtc to KDE Wayland overlay. https://github.com/hparadiz/camera-notif A fun little tool that captures stdout/stderr on any running process. https://github.com/hparadiz/bpf_write_monitor Then I upgraded my 10 year old hand written framework to a new version tha…

Most people have busy lives and they don't care about this stuff.

Re: AI is just unauthorised plagiarism at a bigger scale

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The broader problem of original sources not being given credit in a way that rewards them remains. Websites owners are paying to host their content so that spiders can come and crawl them and index it into the AI and then if they’re lucky, they might get a citation, but otherwise there’s very little reward for being a provider of content. And of course, this is something that’s getting worse and worse. Why look at a…

Is it possible able to host your website in a way so that it couldn't be found via search engines (and thus wouldn't be crawlable I hope)? I know this has repercussions on findability, but if that wasn't a concern, I'm curious how one might circumvent getting crawled.

Possible yes, probable not likely. The moment you're issued a certificate your domain will be shown in the Certificate Transparency logs which are constantly monitored from anyone who wants to find new sites.

Re: AI is just unauthorised plagiarism at a bigger scale

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This is really not so clear cut as "fair use" might cover 99% of all data scrapping; you are not reproducing the originals just use them to estimate probabilistic distribution of tokens in pre-training. You are never going to get the exact book word-for-word using LLMs.

>You are never going to get the exact book word-for-word using LLM.

This is pretty much the exact claim of a NYT lawsuit against OpenAI.

"One example: Bing Chat copied all but two of the first 396 words of its 2023 article “The Secrets Hamas knew about Israel’s Military.” An exhibit showed 100 other situations in which OpenAI’s GPT was trained on and memorized articles from The Times, with word-for-word copying in red and differences in black."

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/cou...

Re: AI is just unauthorised plagiarism at a bigger scale

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It's never been a problem with people ad-blocking for the last 20 years, why is it suddenly a problem now? We've been celebrating denying creators revenue for decades... Maybe this is just the internet hypocricy of "When I do it, it's good, when they do it, it's bad".

I am in favor of severely limiting both copyright and advertising, but for the benefit of everyone, not just for the benefit of a few "AI" companies.

And you will not get it. As the AI pump money into lawyers and politicians - they will be the ones profiting from copyright. Total regulatory capture as US AI companies make it illegal to train AI on their output.

Re: AI is just unauthorised plagiarism at a bigger scale

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if theres just one good thing coming out of ai its breaking copyright law forever. no one should be able to "own" ideas. royalties for commercial use is another thing and i support it but what we know as (non commercial) piracy and unlicensed fan art should be 100% legal

I think you may be too optimistic about the state of affairs under capitalism. Very rarely do things change which don't benefit the owning class without direct action from the working class that puts adequate pressure on the rich, i.e actions which threatens their profits.

Re: AI is just unauthorised plagiarism at a bigger scale

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The broader problem of original sources not being given credit in a way that rewards them remains. Websites owners are paying to host their content so that spiders can come and crawl them and index it into the AI and then if they’re lucky, they might get a citation, but otherwise there’s very little reward for being a provider of content. And of course, this is something that’s getting worse and worse. Why look at a…

Perhaps we should go back to back when the internet was about sharing information you liked, not about credit or making money on "content".

Re: AI is just unauthorised plagiarism at a bigger scale

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It's so wild, I can't even think what the end path will look like. Will there be a major settlement? Will this abolish some form of copyright as a precedent? Something else? My brain hurts just to try and reason about it, yet, the fact remains it's now ubiquitous and change is inevitable.
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