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Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

HDBaseT wrote: post #212
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #195

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An 8-bay Synology costs about $1000. It'll hold an eighth of a petabyte pretty comfortably (with sufficient redundancy). It's bizarre and disturbing to me how few of you seem to be interested in having your own libraries, even though technology has finally delivered that ability to you. You'll come on here once every 3 months and whine about how we have to do more for public libraries, even though they seem to largel…

Libraries serve a lot purpose than you are giving credit for. Libraries are a general facility for the public, they offer the standard books and other rental type arrangements although they are so much more than that! - Access to computers - Access to internet - Access to printing - Access to 3D Printing - Access to Meeting rooms - Access to Mental Health Services - Access to Archive Rooms (newspapers, seed archives,…

>Not everyone is willing to pirate books,

Practically no one is willing to do it. They'd have to be interested in books first. And no one is. Not only is "books" not the first thing in your list, it's not even the last thing. Books might have once been seen as luxuries, and the idea of a lending library allowed those in poverty to get a taste of wealth, so to speak... but they get dumped into landfills by the truckload today and can be had for pennies (or fractions of pennies, actually). So you don't want them anymore.

It's bizarre that it hurts you so much to tell a truth about you which couldn't be more plainly obvious. You don't like books. The book publishing industry is literally dying, that's how little you like books.

>A library grants an official place to access things in a legal way, e

But none of you want to access them. You just like the idea that, if somehow you suddenly did want a book, that you'd be able to go get one for free, effortlessly. Because even if you did want a book, you sure as hell wouldn't want one badly enough to expend an iota of effort to obtain one.

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Post by tda »

john_strinlai wrote: post #114
bubblegumcrisis wrote: post #108

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Here's a question- and while I admit it is quite extreme- I've wondered this for quite some time- do please tell me why I'm wrong, because I feel as if I've started believing this more and more: Could 5% of humanity be a psycho-path-subspecies? These psychopaths are basically leeches on the rest of us, maybe even a cancer. Not only do they feel no guilt for enslaving other (wage-slavery), but they are also fine with…

its estimated ~1% of humans are psychopathic. psychopaths are optimized for ladder-climbing (career, politics, etc.), so the rate of CEOs and politicians that are psychopathic is higher than 1%. and that probably explains a lot about the world. however, i wouldnt call people affected by psychopathy a "subspecies", and i strongly doubt they have any extra psychopathy-sensing special abilities like sight or smell. that…

https://archive.org/details/psychopathcode/psychopathcode deserves a mention here

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by EliRivers »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #221
HDBaseT wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Libraries serve a lot purpose than you are giving credit for. Libraries are a general facility for the public, they offer the standard books and other rental type arrangements although they are so much more than that! - Access to computers - Access to internet - Access to printing - Access to 3D Printing - Access to Meeting rooms - Access to Mental Health Services - Access to Archive Rooms (newspapers, seed archives,…

>Not everyone is willing to pirate books, Practically no one is willing to do it. They'd have to be interested in books first. And no one is. Not only is "books" not the first thing in your list, it's not even the last thing. Books might have once been seen as luxuries, and the idea of a lending library allowed those in poverty to get a taste of wealth, so to speak... but they get dumped into landfills by the trucklo…

Books might have once been seen as luxuries, and the idea of a lending library allowed those in poverty to get a taste of wealth, so to speak... but they get dumped into landfills by the truckload today and can be had for pennies (or fractions of pennies, actually).

Well those ones might be, but the ones I want sure aren't. I have to moderate my book-purchasing to avoid over-spending. The library is pretty helpful (reservation fees are more than I'd like, but a lot less than buying); some years I draw a couple of hundred books. But a lot of them I end up buying. Got one in my hand that was just delivered minutes ago (the new partial biography of Jobs about his years outside Apple).

I guess where this train of thought is going is to point out that people like me do exist. I do spent a lot on books. I borrow a lot from the library. Your assertions come across very strongly suggesting that people like me are a rounding error. But I assure you, when I'm in the bookstore I'm definitely not the only person there. Between us we appear to be propping up entire publishing industries. Almost 80% of the sales are physical rather than digital (1); if we weren't here there would be nothing for you to pirate!

[1] According to https://www.grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/books-ma... "Print remains dominant, accounting for 78% of consumer market revenue"

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

jstanley wrote: post #109
ffsm8 wrote: post #107

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I'm confused here, how is this not even more of a confirmation? Essentially: have funny amounts of money and the law ceases to matter. Or don't, and be squashed by the right holders

$1.5 billion is more than $19.5 million though.

Also if I were to guess the damages because of sci hub is higher than Anthropic training the models. I don't think I know anyone who didn't bought a book because the summary is available or they can ask about it to AI.

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by hulitu »

rvnx wrote: post #84

Why LLM companies that depended on Anna's archive end up so clean ? Looks like Anna's archive was doing the dirty work, and the LLM companies were reaping the profits (and ironically still do, as they hold the largest databases of pirated content in the world). Is it because the law doesn't apply to you when you have 1B USD ?

A couple of millions are enough to grant you special treatment. Especially when you know where to "invest" some of them.

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Post by hulitu »

fractallyte wrote: post #188
xhkkffbf wrote: post #129

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[flagged]

You're downvoted, but correct. And I challenge anyone to dispute this. I'm sick and tired of people trying to justify piracy. If you want to read a book – the product of someone's hard work – pay for it (fairly). That said, I also support Anna's Archive. We need access to books.

> I'm sick and tired of people trying to justify piracy

You will have a hard time adapting to the AI era.

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Post by doom2 »

bombcar wrote: post #209
mmooss wrote: post #163

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> They don't share much Why not?

Most libraries are currently operating under "the donors don't know how they're being used" if you get the drift - checkouts of actual books are way, way down, the vast majority of checkouts are videos, etc; many library users are just using the computers or using it as a study/work/play area. This may or may not apply to university libraries, but many of the public libraries around here are morphing into indoor play…

> many of the public libraries around here are morphing into indoor playgrounds.

If this is said as a negative thing, maybe we could mitigate it by having more free, publicly accessible third spaces. Or accept that libraries can also serve that purpose: as a place for community members to gather as well as the other services they provide.

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Post by d-cc »

cweagans wrote: post #211
d-cc wrote: post #207

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To those in the know, it's not really uncommon knowledge. Whenever you have control over somebody else's organism, suicide isn't something which makes sense definitionally, even if his own body was used to kill him. You're welcome to look into what those around him said regarding his detention and death. He is just a well-publicized example. Many of you here have probably used darknet markets, if so, your vendors are…

> Whenever you have control over somebody else's organism, suicide isn't something which makes sense definitionally, even if his own body was used to kill him. > your vendors are likely neurocompromised as well. What in the world are you talking about.

There is a long history of militant and/or criminal (what's the difference) usage of adversarially designed brain-computer interfaces that you will not find documented.

Unless you have proper clearance or are involved with one of the parties propagating them, anyway.

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Post by d-cc »

cweagans wrote: post #211
d-cc wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To those in the know, it's not really uncommon knowledge. Whenever you have control over somebody else's organism, suicide isn't something which makes sense definitionally, even if his own body was used to kill him. You're welcome to look into what those around him said regarding his detention and death. He is just a well-publicized example. Many of you here have probably used darknet markets, if so, your vendors are…

> Whenever you have control over somebody else's organism, suicide isn't something which makes sense definitionally, even if his own body was used to kill him. > your vendors are likely neurocompromised as well. What in the world are you talking about.

Much of the drug trade is ran less than consensually, as is common knowledge.

Often even people envolved aren't even aware these technologies are being utilized, to those who are, their position is often simple: you do what we say or we torture you, even in protective custody, as surgery isn't really practical.

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Post by bombcar »

doom2 wrote: post #227
bombcar wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most libraries are currently operating under "the donors don't know how they're being used" if you get the drift - checkouts of actual books are way, way down, the vast majority of checkouts are videos, etc; many library users are just using the computers or using it as a study/work/play area. This may or may not apply to university libraries, but many of the public libraries around here are morphing into indoor play…

> many of the public libraries around here are morphing into indoor playgrounds. If this is said as a negative thing, maybe we could mitigate it by having more free, publicly accessible third spaces. Or accept that libraries can also serve that purpose: as a place for community members to gather as well as the other services they provide.

It’s not a bad thing at all, and I think libraries do need to evolve, even if in sad that they’re doing so.

I’d rather see their money go to robust inter-library loan setups and children’s sections than spending it all on overpriced e-loan junk.

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