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Re: Recreate famous water profiles using supermarket bottled water

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Post by rob74 »

throawayonthe wrote: post #16
goobatrooba wrote: post #14

A very strange project. I can see the reasoning to get something familiarly premium from a cheap source, but surely in any developed country your only ever starting point should be tap water. Water that has been bottled months ago and been in (usually plastic) bottles for months can never be better than your local aquifer even if the source is harder. Gets more difficult of course if you are in a big city and your ma…

> can never be better than your local aquifer lol getting that fresh water also bottles have the mineral composition labeled, varies for tap water

It does vary, but as long as the sources stay the same, the composition will also stay within certain limits. For instance, Munich publishes its water composition. The list combines items that you might find on a mineral water label, like calcium and magnesium, with items that you usually won't find there, like lead (don't worry, it's below 0.001 mg/l): https://www.swm.de/dam/doc/wasser/trinkwasser-analysewerte.p...

Re: Recreate famous water profiles using supermarket bottled water

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Post by zamadatix »

Arodex wrote: post #20
goobatrooba wrote: post #14

A very strange project. I can see the reasoning to get something familiarly premium from a cheap source, but surely in any developed country your only ever starting point should be tap water. Water that has been bottled months ago and been in (usually plastic) bottles for months can never be better than your local aquifer even if the source is harder. Gets more difficult of course if you are in a big city and your ma…

"A little osmosis machine"... Where do I find these? Would it fit in my appartement? Can I install it without plumbing if I am only a renter? How often do I need to clean it? How often do I need to change the filter? How many kW and how many liters of wasted water do I need to spend to get half a liter of osmosed water? Your recommendation may be valid for large volumes long term (like the aquarium or brewing at craf…

You can get no install ones that go on your counter or light install ones you connect under your sink (no more difficult than installing a bidet in your apartment). Cost wise they are cheap enough they pay for themselves (including filters) vs even cheap bottled water over the course of a year (well, if you only drink 1 bottle per week or something the economics will be different - 2 bottles per day should ~break even). ~3 filters per year, depends on the model and usage.

Bottled water is usually just a convenience factor of "I can take x bottles from this pack wherever at once on demand, or even grab them full of water I like while not at home".

Re: Recreate famous water profiles using supermarket bottled water

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Post by stratocumulus0 »

rob74 wrote: post #17
goobatrooba wrote: post #14

A very strange project. I can see the reasoning to get something familiarly premium from a cheap source, but surely in any developed country your only ever starting point should be tap water. Water that has been bottled months ago and been in (usually plastic) bottles for months can never be better than your local aquifer even if the source is harder. Gets more difficult of course if you are in a big city and your ma…

Yeah... especially since the source isn't really cheap either. Also, I have never understood how it can possibly make sense to ship water from Fiji to the US, or even from France or Italy to Germany. Local mineral waters may not have as much prestige, but they taste just as good. Actually, that would be a better project: compare the mineral composition of mineral waters to check which local mineral water best matches…

It's because restaurants make the most money on drinks, so selling you overpriced water with artificial branding becomes an excuse to charge the same money for water as one would for sodas.

And some cannot be convinced that tap water could be safe to drink. I know a few people who exclusively drink glass-bottled water, because they fear microplastics on top of that.

Re: Recreate famous water profiles using supermarket bottled water

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Post by LeoPanthera »

I thought this was going to be how to recreate the taste of certain brands of bottled water, and I'm sad that it's not.

I love the taste of Fiji water, but I hate buying bottled water. I've often wished I could make tap water taste like Fiji water.

Re: Recreate famous water profiles using supermarket bottled water

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Post by kimixa »

rob74 wrote: post #21
throawayonthe wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> can never be better than your local aquifer lol getting that fresh water also bottles have the mineral composition labeled, varies for tap water

It does vary, but as long as the sources stay the same, the composition will also stay within certain limits. For instance, Munich publishes its water composition. The list combines items that you might find on a mineral water label, like calcium and magnesium, with items that you usually won't find there, like lead (don't worry, it's below 0.001 mg/l): https://www.swm.de/dam/doc/wasser/trinkwasser-analysewerte.p...

And bottled water likely varies by at least a similar amount - they're not testing and re-printing every bottle after all.

Re: Recreate famous water profiles using supermarket bottled water

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Post by TrueSlacker0 »

"Let sparkling water stand uncapped overnight to degas before mixing."

This doesnt work. The water will taste nothing like the original desired base water profile. When water is carbonated the ph will drop (from say 7 to 4) and even when decarbed carbonic acid is still present from the process. In order to get the desired flavors just a ro water filter and build it back up to the desired profile.

Re: Recreate famous water profiles using supermarket bottled water

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Post by Aachen »

stratocumulus0 wrote: post #24
rob74 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah... especially since the source isn't really cheap either. Also, I have never understood how it can possibly make sense to ship water from Fiji to the US, or even from France or Italy to Germany. Local mineral waters may not have as much prestige, but they taste just as good. Actually, that would be a better project: compare the mineral composition of mineral waters to check which local mineral water best matches…

It's because restaurants make the most money on drinks, so selling you overpriced water with artificial branding becomes an excuse to charge the same money for water as one would for sodas. And some cannot be convinced that tap water could be safe to drink. I know a few people who exclusively drink glass-bottled water, because they fear microplastics on top of that.

The latter is yet another reason to ask for tap water in restaurants. It's probably fine but besides the uncertainty of what the plastics and additives do to a person, might as well not have more plastic bottles be produced, leech into the far-transported water, and then have to be disposed of responsibly. I usually explicitly request they write it up as a normal water price and just bring me a glass of tap

Re: Recreate famous water profiles using supermarket bottled water

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Post by mschuster91 »

stratocumulus0 wrote: post #24
rob74 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah... especially since the source isn't really cheap either. Also, I have never understood how it can possibly make sense to ship water from Fiji to the US, or even from France or Italy to Germany. Local mineral waters may not have as much prestige, but they taste just as good. Actually, that would be a better project: compare the mineral composition of mineral waters to check which local mineral water best matches…

It's because restaurants make the most money on drinks, so selling you overpriced water with artificial branding becomes an excuse to charge the same money for water as one would for sodas. And some cannot be convinced that tap water could be safe to drink. I know a few people who exclusively drink glass-bottled water, because they fear microplastics on top of that.

> And some cannot be convinced that tap water could be safe to drink.

It's a cultural thing, mostly. Not everyone has the luxury of, like me, growing up in a place like Munich where the water source is clean and pristine needing very little treatment. In many places water has to be chlorinated or, in the worst cases, is contaminated with gases from fracking to the tune you can set it ablaze [1]. Or it's contaminated with lead [2], PFAS [3] and pharmaceuticals [4]. And that's just "rich world problems" - people who grew up in developing countries or even in extremely rural areas of Western countries who grew up with water unsafe to drink before boiling it off will be even more skeptical.

The value proposition of many a "branded bottle water" is that the water sources they use are so old and deep that no human activity can have contaminated them.

P.S.: And that's before thinking about if the hot water supply in your home has its tank flushed and cleaned and the anodes serviced regularly... neglect your hot water installation and you'll get disgusting shit like [5].

[1] https://www.propublica.org/article/scientific-study-links-fl...

[2] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S24685...

[3] https://environment.ec.europa.eu/news/new-eu-rules-limit-pfa...

[4] https://www.usgs.gov/water-science-school/science/pharmaceut...

[5] https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ppNPRbNysg4

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