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Starship's Twelfth Flight Test

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Re: Starship's Twelfth Flight Test

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The stats are pretty out there. Iirc just the fuel pump, which you can probably pick up and put on your desk, generates 100k HP.

Well, it's powered by bleeding exhaust from a very big rocket.

Nope, Raptor is full flow staged combustion, so both the fuel and oxidizer have dedicated preburners and turbopumps each.

Re: Starship's Twelfth Flight Test

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There is a lot riding on V3. SpaceX cannot afford to take too many launches to get V3 solid. If 2026 is another 2025 (3 V2 failures in a row followed by 2 V3 successes), then they can forget about landing on the moon before 2030.

My hope is that Flight 12 goes nearly flawlessly (at least gets to soft splashdown) and they can start testing in-space refueling in July/August.

If they can demonstrate in-space refueling by the end of 2026, then they have a shot at a lunar-landing demo in 2027 and a crewed-landing in 2028. But a lot has to go right for that to happen. Here's hoping it does.

Re: Starship's Twelfth Flight Test

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post #5

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Superheavy is 10x larger than the Falcon. Its thrust would sink the barge.

Yeah. Rocket first stage Approx. unfueled mass: Super Heavy: 200000 to 280000 kg Falcon 9 first stage (without Falcon Heavy side boosters): 25600 kg

So 200-280 tons. A standard barge can support 1500-3000 tons of cargo. Even with the added weight of a catch tower and a healthy factor of safety thrust isn't gonna sink the barge. Far more likely the major hurdle would be stability issues with how tall it is.

Re: Starship's Twelfth Flight Test

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There is a lot riding on V3. SpaceX cannot afford to take too many launches to get V3 solid. If 2026 is another 2025 (3 V2 failures in a row followed by 2 V3 successes), then they can forget about landing on the moon before 2030. My hope is that Flight 12 goes nearly flawlessly (at least gets to soft splashdown) and they can start testing in-space refueling in July/August. If they can demonstrate in-space refueling b…

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Re: Starship's Twelfth Flight Test

#35

There is a lot riding on V3. SpaceX cannot afford to take too many launches to get V3 solid. If 2026 is another 2025 (3 V2 failures in a row followed by 2 V3 successes), then they can forget about landing on the moon before 2030. My hope is that Flight 12 goes nearly flawlessly (at least gets to soft splashdown) and they can start testing in-space refueling in July/August. If they can demonstrate in-space refueling b…

question: what will happen if orbit refuelling goes wrong? Won't it destroy everything in orbit?

Re: Starship's Twelfth Flight Test

#36

There is a lot riding on V3. SpaceX cannot afford to take too many launches to get V3 solid. If 2026 is another 2025 (3 V2 failures in a row followed by 2 V3 successes), then they can forget about landing on the moon before 2030. My hope is that Flight 12 goes nearly flawlessly (at least gets to soft splashdown) and they can start testing in-space refueling in July/August. If they can demonstrate in-space refueling b…

question: what will happen if orbit refuelling goes wrong? Won't it destroy everything in orbit?

> what will happen if orbit refuelling goes wrong? Won't it destroy everything in orbit?

No. What is the mechanism through which you suspected this could happen?

Re: Starship's Twelfth Flight Test

#37

There is a lot riding on V3. SpaceX cannot afford to take too many launches to get V3 solid. If 2026 is another 2025 (3 V2 failures in a row followed by 2 V3 successes), then they can forget about landing on the moon before 2030. My hope is that Flight 12 goes nearly flawlessly (at least gets to soft splashdown) and they can start testing in-space refueling in July/August. If they can demonstrate in-space refueling b…

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Have you met hardware guys? This is not how they operate, in my experience.

Re: Starship's Twelfth Flight Test

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question: what will happen if orbit refuelling goes wrong? Won't it destroy everything in orbit?

> what will happen if orbit refuelling goes wrong? Won't it destroy everything in orbit? No. What is the mechanism through which you suspected this could happen?

Kessler syndrome presumably?

Re: Starship's Twelfth Flight Test

#39

There is a lot riding on V3. SpaceX cannot afford to take too many launches to get V3 solid. If 2026 is another 2025 (3 V2 failures in a row followed by 2 V3 successes), then they can forget about landing on the moon before 2030. My hope is that Flight 12 goes nearly flawlessly (at least gets to soft splashdown) and they can start testing in-space refueling in July/August. If they can demonstrate in-space refueling b…

question: what will happen if orbit refuelling goes wrong? Won't it destroy everything in orbit?

Liquid handling in microgravity has always been weird. Big gas bubbles in the fluid, surface tension effects causing liquid to float in balls in the ullage, stuff like that. Turbopumps break if they ingest a larger bubble.

There could be some odd failure modes I would think. Failure to pump the liquid, broken pumps, who really knows? My guess would be that a failure mode would be a big spill, a failure to pump, only partially refilling, or broken turbopumps before an explosion.

Re: Starship's Twelfth Flight Test

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There is a lot riding on V3. SpaceX cannot afford to take too many launches to get V3 solid. If 2026 is another 2025 (3 V2 failures in a row followed by 2 V3 successes), then they can forget about landing on the moon before 2030. My hope is that Flight 12 goes nearly flawlessly (at least gets to soft splashdown) and they can start testing in-space refueling in July/August. If they can demonstrate in-space refueling b…

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