I was getting dangerously close to my weekly Claude Code limit last night so I had Claude set up Qwen3.6 with llama.cpp and OpenCode. Honestly it's a great (free!) alternative to Claude Code--certainly more than good enough for a lot of smaller less complex tasks. I'm excited to try this new version. The fact that open-source models are so close to the frontier is very impressive.
Qwen Max are usually closed, unfortunately.
Qwen3.7-Max: The Agent Frontier
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#232As they start to release more proprietary models, I so wish that they partnered with one of the major US hyperscalers to allow using these models through something US-domiciled. Totally understand why it may not be reasonable or in their best interest (and that the US is _absolutely_ not doing the same reflexively). But it would be lovely to be able to try these out on production workloads in earnest.
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#234I'm using pi agent and love to try qwen models (hosted). What are the good options? The official provider doesn't include Alibaba. Is OpenRouter etc. fast enough? (As a reference, DeepSeek v4 is severely throttled on these proxy services.)
I use pi + openrouter (with qwen3.6-max-preview) a lot. I never hit any stability or performance problems yet.
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#235Earlier quoted context omitted.
Out of interest, what machine and model are you running it on? I tried the qwen3.6-27b Q6_k GUFF in llama.cpp and LM Studio on my M2 MacBook Pro 32GB machine last week, and I barely get a token a second with either. What sort of speed should I be expecting? I tried some of the Llama 3 34b (nous-capybara?) models two years ago with llama.cpp, and I seem to remember getting a few tokens a second then, so not sure if I'…
The 27B model is dense, so is relatively slow. The 35B-A3B model is marginally weaker but being MoE is much faster - like ~4-8x faster in basic benchmarks on my M1 Max. For comparison, I just ran a couple of quick benchmarks (default settings) with llama-bench: Qwen3.6-35B-A3B at Q6_K_XL gave 858 t/s pp512 (prompt processing) and 43 t/s tg128 (token generation). Qwen3.6-27B at Q4_K_XL gave 103 t/s pp512 and 8 t/s tg1…
Re: Qwen3.7-Max: The Agent Frontier
#236I was getting dangerously close to my weekly Claude Code limit last night so I had Claude set up Qwen3.6 with llama.cpp and OpenCode. Honestly it's a great (free!) alternative to Claude Code--certainly more than good enough for a lot of smaller less complex tasks. I'm excited to try this new version. The fact that open-source models are so close to the frontier is very impressive.
Out of interest, what machine and model are you running it on? I tried the qwen3.6-27b Q6_k GUFF in llama.cpp and LM Studio on my M2 MacBook Pro 32GB machine last week, and I barely get a token a second with either. What sort of speed should I be expecting? I tried some of the Llama 3 34b (nous-capybara?) models two years ago with llama.cpp, and I seem to remember getting a few tokens a second then, so not sure if I'…
Re: Qwen3.7-Max: The Agent Frontier
#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
This counts only incorrect answers though. A model can get 0% hallucination rate just by refusing to answer all questions.
Yes. A model that can answer "I don't know" would be much more trustable than the current used car salesman we have now.
But no, Google and OpenAI would rather always have an answer ready and tell you to mix glue into your pizza toppings :)
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#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
referencing this: https://artificialanalysis.ai/evaluations/omniscience?models... (had to add it to the chart, wasn't displayed by default. is it the lowest rate in the datasetor no?)
This counts only incorrect answers though. A model can get 0% hallucination rate just by refusing to answer all questions.
https://artificialanalysis.ai/evaluations/omniscience#aa-omn...
It rewards correct answers and penalizes hallucinations, and finally no reward for refusing to answer.
It's interesting just how poorly some popular Chinese models fare in this regard, like GLM 5.1 or DeepSeek 4 Pro.
Gemini 3.x has truly remarkable knowledge given how it leads in this benchmark despite being (quite a bit) more prone to hallucinate than Claude Opus.
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#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
This counts only incorrect answers though. A model can get 0% hallucination rate just by refusing to answer all questions.
Isn't that precisely the reason why we introduced the term hallucination? Because llms have historically always made up bullshit of they cannot answer directly... If they now nailed this to maybe the model not respond instead of responding incorrectly, then a lot of previously unusable usecases would become feasible. So I feel like that's exactly the right metric and the way to track it wrt hallucinations.