Well, they are kind of desperate after missing both cloud and AI.
I would blame trash like Discord more though. Alternative search engines are available, but the crappy little web chat hides info inside.
Google Declaring War on the Web
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#12I've got a half thought about concept that maybe we need a concept like AMP back. I hated AMP. I'm glad it's dead. But you could use it to define things that you were at least advised that it would be shown in the google ui and carousel. I feel like we need a guarantee from the LLMs that if we provide some kind of meta data in our source material you'll honor stuff from it. Like show our advertisers so we get some re…
Given that these platforms are increasing intermediating experiences between websites/companies/etc and end-users, I suspect we’ll soon see a strong push back in that direction to adopt more things like schema markup to get more control back in some sense. Things are only going to get worse though.
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#13The AI answers provide tons of source links. At the end of the day, is it really all that different to provide a list of links, versus an answer or overview of a few paragraphs with links to lots of different higher-quality sources? I follow those source links all the time . Not just to "check sources" but because they provide a ton more detail. And the links are usually much better than what I'll get with regular ke…
> I follow those source links all the time.
The vast majority of people don’t.
We’ve gone from Only links to the source -> Mostly links to the source, with a short summary picked almost verbatim from the source -> AI summary that mangles several sources’ information together and gets top billing -> Only the AI summary with some footnotes linking to the source.
Google has been fairly slowly been turning up the temperature of the pot and we’re only a few degrees away from a full boil. Let’s not pretend or be naive enough to think that’s not what’s happening.
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#14While they seem against being scraped themselves: https://serpapi.com/blog/google-v-serpapi-motion-to-dismiss-...
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#15If it's so bad, people won't use it. If it's good, why be against it ? You don't write post to reach the biggest amount of people, you do because you're passionate and ultimately you get people following you. If average Joe doesn't go on your website, what's the big deal ? I think this feature will be very useful to fight back on the optimized SEO hell that we currently have.
Everyone goes through live nation/Ticketmaster. Would you say they provide a good experience?
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#16I would feel more sad about this if the web wasn’t so rotten to begin with. On average, any random site is just trying to throw ads at you and harass you to subscribe and such.
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#17It is not a war on the web, but on how it was traditionally used (and abused). And that "traditional" way was shaped by google too.
As you want a cookie, i put you in a table, napking, serve you a bag of cookies and hope that you eat/find the cookie you want, while hearing my music, watching my ads, pushing you more foods that I sell and other services. And sometimes, that is the experience you are searching for. But also, many just want a cookie.
That is what a conversational and maybe agentic interface can give you. Have someone a blueberry cookie? Then it gives it to you, and also give pointers to restaurants that give a more complete experience sometimes (while others may try to scam you). It is a shortcut, but also doesn't hide you the traditional way to access that.
They are not saints, but neither are all the ones in the other side. But the new way to access the relevant information you want, in a way that you can use it, have its own value.
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#18If it's so bad, people won't use it. If it's good, why be against it ? You don't write post to reach the biggest amount of people, you do because you're passionate and ultimately you get people following you. If average Joe doesn't go on your website, what's the big deal ? I think this feature will be very useful to fight back on the optimized SEO hell that we currently have.
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#19The AI answers provide tons of source links. At the end of the day, is it really all that different to provide a list of links, versus an answer or overview of a few paragraphs with links to lots of different higher-quality sources? I follow those source links all the time . Not just to "check sources" but because they provide a ton more detail. And the links are usually much better than what I'll get with regular ke…
Most people don't look at the sources even though the sources often contradict the statements.
I've stopped using Google and find I'm not missing anything
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#20We abrogated getting traffic to our websites to Google long ago. Mostly because Google was so good at it that the alternatives became significantly less useful. Now that Google is focusing on becoming 'self contained', so to speak, we should find a better way to drive traffic to websites. Ideally one that's not under the control of a single corporation. Anyone miss StumbleUpon?
(sorry, nit pick, but I don't your usage of 'abrogate' is quite correct here, you can't abrogate to something)