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An OpenAI model has disproved a central conjecture in discrete geometry

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Re: An OpenAI model has disproved a central conjecture in discrete geometry

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See the longstanding debate on whether new math is "invented" or "discovered". Most mathematicians I knew thought it's discovered.

Any design already exists as a possibility, so it could be said to be both invented and discovered, depending on how you look at it.

Re: An OpenAI model has disproved a central conjecture in discrete geometry

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As I have stated before, AI will win a fields medal before it can manage a McDonald's A difficult part was constructing a chess board on which to play math (Lean). Now it's just pattern recognition and computation. LLMs are just the beginning, we'll see more specialized math AI resembling StockFish soon.

I disagree. It will be able to perform work deserving if a fields medal before it is capable of running a McDonalds. I think it will be running a McDonalds well before either of those things happen, and a fields medal long after both have happened.

I just visited a McDonald's for the first time in a while. The self-order kiosk UI is quite bad. I think this is evidence in favor of the idea that an incompetent AI will soon be incompetently running a McDonald's.

Re: An OpenAI model has disproved a central conjecture in discrete geometry

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Every time I interact even with OpenAI's pro model, I am forced to come to the conclusion that anything outside the domain of specific technical problems is almost completely hopeless outside of a simple enhanced search and summary engine. For example, these machines, if scaling intellect so fiercely that they are solving bespoke mathematics problems, should be able to generate mundane insights or unique conjectures…

Yeah, I remember it was one of my biggest disappointments with LLMs.

Re: An OpenAI model has disproved a central conjecture in discrete geometry

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AI isn't going to supercharge science but I wouldn't be as dismissive as other posters here.

I'm not a scientist but I like to LARP as one in my free time, and I have found ChatGPT/Claude extremely useful for research, and I'd go as far as to say it supercharged it for me. When I'm learning about a new subject, I'll ask Claude to give me five papers that are relevant to what I'm learning about. Often three of the papers are either irrelevant or kind of shit, but that leaves 2/5 of them that are actually usef…

One heuristic I used during my masters degree research thesis was to look for the seminal people or papers in a field by using google scholar to find the most cited research papers and then reading everything else by that author / looking at the paper's references for others. You often only need to go back 3-4 papers to find some really seminal/foundational stuff.

Re: An OpenAI model has disproved a central conjecture in discrete geometry

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To the “LLMs just interpolate their training data” crowd: Ayer, and in a different way early Wittgenstein, held that mathematical truths don’t report new facts about the world. Proofs unfold what is already implicit in axioms, definitions, symbols, and rules. I think that idea is deeply fascinating, AND have no problem that we still credit mathematicians with discoveries. So either “recombining existing material” isn…

> I think that idea is deeply fascinating, AND have no problem that we still credit mathematicians with discoveries. Most discoveries are indeed implied from axioms, but every now and then, new mathematics is (for lack of a better word) "created"—and you have people like Descartes, Newton, Leibniz, Gauss, Euler, Ramanujan, Galois, etc. that treat math more like an art than a science. For example, many belive that to…

what basis do you have for assuming an LLM is fundamentally incapable of doing this?

Re: An OpenAI model has disproved a central conjecture in discrete geometry

#97

See the longstanding debate on whether new math is "invented" or "discovered". Most mathematicians I knew thought it's discovered.

Regardless of which, both Newton and Leibniz imprint in their findings a 'voice' and understanding different from each other and that of an LLM (for now?)

Re: An OpenAI model has disproved a central conjecture in discrete geometry

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To the “LLMs just interpolate their training data” crowd: Ayer, and in a different way early Wittgenstein, held that mathematical truths don’t report new facts about the world. Proofs unfold what is already implicit in axioms, definitions, symbols, and rules. I think that idea is deeply fascinating, AND have no problem that we still credit mathematicians with discoveries. So either “recombining existing material” isn…

I think you are conflating composition and prediction. LLMs don't compose higher abstractions from the "axioms, symbols and rules", they simply predict the next token, like a really large spinning wheel.

Re: An OpenAI model has disproved a central conjecture in discrete geometry

#100

See the longstanding debate on whether new math is "invented" or "discovered". Most mathematicians I knew thought it's discovered.

Any design already exists as a possibility, so it could be said to be both invented and discovered, depending on how you look at it.

All inventions are discoveries, though not all discoveries are inventions.
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