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Hormuz closure could trigger 'agrifood shock', price crisis within a year

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Re: Hormuz closure could trigger 'agrifood shock', price crisis within a year

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Post by hersko »

rainworld wrote: post #19
rasHfd wrote: post #2

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You, as many do, forgot to mention the root cause: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/us-iran-war-request-israel... > The meek recent Senate protest means nothing. If the elites didn't want the war, the House and the Senate would have 2/3rd majorities to stop it. Yesterday’s AIPAC-driven ouster of Rep. Thomas Massie should tell you why no one is trying to stop this and who these “elites” you speak of answer to. > The…

> AIPAC-driven ouster

Yeah, i definitely had nothing to do with him accusing his party of protecting pedophiles and repeatedly voting with the left to block Trumps agenda. It must have been the jews.

Re: Hormuz closure could trigger 'agrifood shock', price crisis within a year

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Post by rainworld »

hersko wrote: post #21
rainworld wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You, as many do, forgot to mention the root cause: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/us-iran-war-request-israel... > The meek recent Senate protest means nothing. If the elites didn't want the war, the House and the Senate would have 2/3rd majorities to stop it. Yesterday’s AIPAC-driven ouster of Rep. Thomas Massie should tell you why no one is trying to stop this and who these “elites” you speak of answer to. > The…

> AIPAC-driven ouster Yeah, i definitely had nothing to do with him accusing his party of protecting pedophiles and repeatedly voting with the left to block Trumps agenda. It must have been the jews.

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/05/17/massie-aipac-record... It literally was. And wait till you find out you find out who Epstein et al. were working for.

Re: Hormuz closure could trigger 'agrifood shock', price crisis within a year

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Post by hersko »

rainworld wrote: post #22
hersko wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> AIPAC-driven ouster Yeah, i definitely had nothing to do with him accusing his party of protecting pedophiles and repeatedly voting with the left to block Trumps agenda. It must have been the jews.

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/05/17/massie-aipac-record... It literally was. And wait till you find out you find out who Epstein et al. were working for.

It literally wasn't. It was an ouster pushed by Trump. From your own article:

"Prominent pro-Israel GOP donors have funneled millions more into a super PAC stood up by President Donald Trump’s political operation"

> And wait till you find out you find out who Epstein et al. were working for.

Oooh, please tell me. I'm all ears.

Re: Hormuz closure could trigger 'agrifood shock', price crisis within a year

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Post by cogman10 »

asfqrt wrote: post #15
jalapenoj wrote: post #7

It’s a sacrifice israel is willing to make.

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Not really an excuse when we had house republicans at the start of the war saying we went to war for Israel [1]. It's only become wrong to suggest this as politicians and pundits have woken up to the fact that waging war on behalf of Israel isn't a popular thing to do.

[1] https://apnews.com/article/congress-war-powers-trump-iran-68...

Re: Hormuz closure could trigger 'agrifood shock', price crisis within a year

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Post by Daishiman »

hersko wrote: post #20
Tyrubias wrote: post #12

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It is most definitely a defense if you use the same logic the US does. If the US can seize oil tankers going to and from Cuba and Venezuela and attack fishing boats in the name of national security, then Iran can definitely blockade the Strait of Hormuz in the name of defense.

You would not call the the US enforcing a blockade as a defensive tactic. It is offensive, as is what Iran is doing. Defensive would mean defending ships navigating the strait.

Offensive? Who began the offensive against Iran?

Re: Hormuz closure could trigger 'agrifood shock', price crisis within a year

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Post by cogman10 »

hersko wrote: post #20
Tyrubias wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is most definitely a defense if you use the same logic the US does. If the US can seize oil tankers going to and from Cuba and Venezuela and attack fishing boats in the name of national security, then Iran can definitely blockade the Strait of Hormuz in the name of defense.

You would not call the the US enforcing a blockade as a defensive tactic. It is offensive, as is what Iran is doing. Defensive would mean defending ships navigating the strait.

Bullets shot from guns can be defensive and offensive depending on who's pulling the trigger and why.

The straight is exactly the same. Iran is blocking the straight to pressure the world to pressure the US and Israel to stop their aggression. It's completely logical, reasonable, and is really a defense strategy.

The US blockading the straight is an offensive move to try and force Iran to... actually it's completely unclear what the US wants Iran to do. We just attacked them because of some imaginary threat cooked up by Israel.

Re: Hormuz closure could trigger 'agrifood shock', price crisis within a year

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Post by amalcon »

PenguinCoder wrote: post #10
rasHfd wrote: post #2

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> None of these autocratic countries care about their own populations. Trump has said so explicitly many times. Going to need a better source than a habitual liar.

In legal terms, one would call this a "statement against interest". If a politician says he does not care one bit about the welfare his constituents, it is reasonable for those constituents to take him at his word no matter how untrustworthy he is. It only hurts him if we believe it.

Iranian negotiators probably shouldn't believe him, because it's not against interest in that context. There probably just aren't any on Hacker News.

Re: Hormuz closure could trigger 'agrifood shock', price crisis within a year

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Post by 234k-awsh »

cogman10 wrote: post #24
asfqrt wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

Not really an excuse when we had house republicans at the start of the war saying we went to war for Israel [1]. It's only become wrong to suggest this as politicians and pundits have woken up to the fact that waging war on behalf of Israel isn't a popular thing to do. [1] https://apnews.com/article/congress-war-powers-trump-iran-68...

That is literally one of the blame game strategies outlined in this Brookings 2009 paper:

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/06_iran...

Israel is happy to take the blame, because of course it does want the war. But it is a stretch that the whole "Path to Persia", which included Iraq, Libya and Syria was only done at the behest of Israel.

I'm not an Israel shill, the behavior in Gaza is abhorrent.

Re: Hormuz closure could trigger 'agrifood shock', price crisis within a year

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Post by 234k-awsh »

rainworld wrote: post #19
rasHfd wrote: post #2

[flagged]

You, as many do, forgot to mention the root cause: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/us-iran-war-request-israel... > The meek recent Senate protest means nothing. If the elites didn't want the war, the House and the Senate would have 2/3rd majorities to stop it. Yesterday’s AIPAC-driven ouster of Rep. Thomas Massie should tell you why no one is trying to stop this and who these “elites” you speak of answer to. > The…

Of course if Israel is willing to take the blame because its reputation is at an all time low anyway, the Trump administration will happily use it as an excuse for being dragged into the war.

Re: Hormuz closure could trigger 'agrifood shock', price crisis within a year

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Post by cogman10 »

234k-awsh wrote: post #28
cogman10 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really an excuse when we had house republicans at the start of the war saying we went to war for Israel [1]. It's only become wrong to suggest this as politicians and pundits have woken up to the fact that waging war on behalf of Israel isn't a popular thing to do. [1] https://apnews.com/article/congress-war-powers-trump-iran-68...

That is literally one of the blame game strategies outlined in this Brookings 2009 paper: https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/06_iran... Israel is happy to take the blame, because of course it does want the war. But it is a stretch that the whole "Path to Persia", which included Iraq, Libya and Syria was only done at the behest of Israel. I'm not an Israel shill, the behavior in Gaza is abhorrent.

Sorry, I have a hard time believing you aren't an Israel shill, especially since you are using a common tactic I've noticed of Israel defenders, working to hide any of your past opinions through new accounts or hidden comments.

It's happening a lot on reddit as well. You'll find a bunch of pro-israel accounts which are private.

Who knows, you may be legit, but forgive me for not trusting you and these other new accounts that always seem to float up when Israel is discussed. Especially since it's well known that Israel is spending nearly a billion dollars on online propaganda [1]

[1] https://libertarianinstitute.org/news/israel-plans-to-spend-...

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