Live data from Hacker News

An OpenAI model has disproved a central conjecture in discrete geometry

openai.com

61–70 of 1001 posts

Re: An OpenAI model has disproved a central conjecture in discrete geometry

#61

To the “LLMs just interpolate their training data” crowd: Ayer, and in a different way early Wittgenstein, held that mathematical truths don’t report new facts about the world. Proofs unfold what is already implicit in axioms, definitions, symbols, and rules. I think that idea is deeply fascinating, AND have no problem that we still credit mathematicians with discoveries. So either “recombining existing material” isn…

> I think that idea is deeply fascinating, AND have no problem that we still credit mathematicians with discoveries.

Most discoveries are indeed implied from axioms, but every now and then, new mathematics is (for lack of a better word) "created"—and you have people like Descartes, Newton, Leibniz, Gauss, Euler, Ramanujan, Galois, etc. that treat math more like an art than a science.

For example, many belive that to sovle the Riemann Hypothesis, we likely need some new kind of math. Imo, it's unlikely that an LLM will somehow invent it.

Re: An OpenAI model has disproved a central conjecture in discrete geometry

#63

"The proof came from a general-purpose reasoning model, not a system built specifically to solve math problems or this problem in particular, and represents an important milestone for the math and AI communities."

I trust openAI's marketing team 100%

It seems plausible given that people have been using off the shelf 5.5 xhigh to decent success with some erdos problems. There is likely still some scaffolding around it though (like parallel sampling or separate verifier step) since it's not clear if you can just "one shot" problems like this.

Re: An OpenAI model has disproved a central conjecture in discrete geometry

#64

"The proof came from a general-purpose reasoning model, not a system built specifically to solve math problems or this problem in particular, and represents an important milestone for the math and AI communities."

all reasoning is .. well problem reasoning. restricting black-box AIs to specific human-defined domains because we believe that's better is such a human-ist thing to do.

Re: An OpenAI model has disproved a central conjecture in discrete geometry

#65
post #30

Is there a reason why we only hear of Erdos problems being solved? I would imagine there are a myriad of other unsolved problems in math, but every single ChatGPT "breakthrough in math" I come across on r/singularity and r/accelerate are Erdos problems.

Erdos problems are easier to state, thus they make a great benchmark for the first year of AI mathematics.

Re: An OpenAI model has disproved a central conjecture in discrete geometry

#67

As I have stated before, AI will win a fields medal before it can manage a McDonald's A difficult part was constructing a chess board on which to play math (Lean). Now it's just pattern recognition and computation. LLMs are just the beginning, we'll see more specialized math AI resembling StockFish soon.

> manage a McDonald's

Dystopia vibes from the fictional "Manna" management system [0] used at a hamburger franchise, which involved a lot of "reverse centaur" automation.

> At any given moment Manna had a list of things that it needed to do. There were orders coming in from the cash registers, so Manna directed employees to prepare those meals. There were also toilets to be scrubbed on a regular basis, floors to mop, tables to wipe, sidewalks to sweep, buns to defrost, inventory to rotate, windows to wash and so on. Manna kept track of the hundreds of tasks that needed to get done, and assigned each task to an employee one at a time. [...]

> At the end of the shift Manna always said the same thing. “You are done for today. Thank you for your help.” Then you took off your headset and put it back on the rack to recharge. The first few minutes off the headset were always disorienting — there had been this voice in your head telling you exactly what to do in minute detail for six or eight hours. You had to turn your brain back on to get out of the restaurant.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manna_(novel)

Re: An OpenAI model has disproved a central conjecture in discrete geometry

#68
Another entry in a growing list of the last couple months (interestingly mostly Open AI):

1. Erdos 1196, GPT-5.4 Pro - https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/amateur-armed-wit...

There are a couple of other Erdos wins, but this was the most impressive, prior to the thread in question. And it's completely unsupervised.

Solution - https://chatgpt.com/share/69dd1c83-b164-8385-bf2e-8533e9baba...

2. Single-minus gluon tree amplitudes are nonzero , GPT-5.2 https://openai.com/index/new-result-theoretical-physics/

3. Frontier Math Open Problem, GPT-5.4 Pro and others - https://epoch.ai/frontiermath/open-problems/ramsey-hypergrap...

4. GPT-5.5 Pro - https://gowers.wordpress.com/2026/05/08/a-recent-experience-...

5. Claude's Cycles, Claude Opus 4.6 - https://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/papers/claude-cyc...

Re: An OpenAI model has disproved a central conjecture in discrete geometry

#69
Every time I interact even with OpenAI's pro model, I am forced to come to the conclusion that anything outside the domain of specific technical problems is almost completely hopeless outside of a simple enhanced search and summary engine.

For example, these machines, if scaling intellect so fiercely that they are solving bespoke mathematics problems, should be able to generate mundane insights or unique conjectures far below the level of intellect required for highly advanced mathematics - and they simply do not.

Ask a model to give you the rundown and theory on a specific pharmacological substance, for example. It will cite the textbook and meta-analyses it pulls, but be completely incapable of any bespoke thinking on the topic. A random person pursuing a bachelor's in chemistry can do this.

Anything at all outside of the absolute facts, even the faintest conjecture, feels completely outside of their reach.

Re: An OpenAI model has disproved a central conjecture in discrete geometry

#70

AI isn't going to supercharge science but I wouldn't be as dismissive as other posters here.

I absolutely believe that AI will supercharge science. I do not believe it will replace humans.

I absolutely believe that AI will supercharge science and replace humans.

Why shouldn't it? Humans are poorly optimized for almost anything, and built on a substrate that's barely hanging together

Post reply on HN