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Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by siva7 »

RankingMember wrote: post #149
f4stjack wrote: post #127

Google does not hate us... it is worse than that - it is indifferent to us. Hate requires some sort of recognition. I mean this single incident may not mean anything but overall google is heading to an _interesting_ place. In short, it was state of the art but in 20 years it became just another conglomerate sacrificing quality for shareholder gain, I think? As a search engine, it does not work for me. I see promoted…

I feel like a crazy person, but I've been using Yandex as the last resort and having positive results in finding stuff that I know is out there but Google has decided to stop letting me see. (I tried DDG but for my use it's been worse than Google).

Nah you're not crazy. I also felt crazy when i discovered that some obscure censored russian search engine gives me overall better search results in 2026 than google.com

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by bradleykingz »

ZeWaka wrote: post #68

Interesting. My small game wiki was also affected ~3 weeks ago. It doesn't even show up on Google anymore even if you directly search for the URL. We don't get any spam since there's no public signups for editing access.

interesting indeed. very short sighted by google if so. before, the incentive for publishing on google was discovery... if that goes away, then what?

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by WarmWash »

akersten wrote: post #136
WarmWash wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trust me, the downvotes were instant. People really hate it when you hold up a mirror to illustrate a problem. They tend to reflexively punch the mirror

Man, I wish folks calibrated their E(I am actually wrong|downvotes). Have you considered what that value could be in this case?

Creators don't get compensation when people ad-block.

Creators don't get compensation when LLMs scrape.

It's totally, and completely, unambiguous. The internet just has collective brain damage from the grassroots morals of it being formed 30 years ago by teenagers. How surprising that a bunch of kids decided that the way to save the internet was to make it better for themselves, and worse for the people who make the internet the thing they love.

Some of us have grown up now, and realize the correct answer to save the internet was to not engage with ad supported content period.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by marginalia_nu »

bradleykingz wrote: post #150
marginalia_nu wrote: post #19

To be honest it's probably just jank on Google's end. There's a lot of delayed cause and effect in search, and it's much easier to make a minor mistake that excludes 0.1% of websites from crawling or indexing than it is to detect that it's happened except from affected websites telling you about it. Like in marginalia I've had a bug that affected websites in the condition that if the root path didn't support HEAD, bu…

from 511k indexed paged to just 11? that is some serious jank

From the perspective of a web search engine indexing tens to hundreds of billions of documents 500k docs is not very noticeable.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by awesome_dude »

WarmWash wrote: post #53
righthand wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Social sites should have all have a tree-based invite system. This would allow wiping out spammers and their enablers in a single hit. It would allow vetting of good actors too.

Now you just created a market for farmed "legit" accounts.

Blue tick accounts :)

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by Forgeties79 »

WarmWash wrote: post #154
akersten wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man, I wish folks calibrated their E(I am actually wrong|downvotes). Have you considered what that value could be in this case?

Creators don't get compensation when people ad-block. Creators don't get compensation when LLMs scrape. It's totally, and completely, unambiguous. The internet just has collective brain damage from the grassroots morals of it being formed 30 years ago by teenagers. How surprising that a bunch of kids decided that the way to save the internet was to make it better for themselves, and worse for the people who make the…

There are ways to get paid without ads and you can do on-air reads like I said. adblockers don’t impact them. You also don’t have to play Google and YouTube’s games. I’m sorry folks are caught in that arm’s race between users and Google but Google has made browsing so miserable it’s just reality.

Adblocking is basic security now. I am not compromising on it. I say this as a “content creator”

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by aleqs »

twodave wrote: post #91
phyzix5761 wrote: post #42

Why would Google need to direct traffic to the website when they've already scraped and trained their models on the data? Content creators and legitimate websites were wham-bammed and thank-you-ma’amed.

Personifying Google in this way is not realistic. The search team alone at Google is made of thousands of people who are all working on different things with an over-arching mission of making the web MORE accessible, not less. Any release from any of those people could have created a side effect of this kind. Is there a chance it was an intentional policy implementation? Sure. But the odds are heavily against it.

> over-arching mission of making the web MORE accessible, not less

Right, that's why they pushed AMP and upranked AMP pages in their results. That's also why they decided to severely neuter/remove as blocking extensions for Chrome. That's also probably why google search results are getting worse by the month with more and more ads and spam being upranked to the top.

It's because google has a mission of making the web more accessible. Okay bud.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by aleqs »

WarmWash wrote: post #58
phyzix5761 wrote: post #42

Why would Google need to direct traffic to the website when they've already scraped and trained their models on the data? Content creators and legitimate websites were wham-bammed and thank-you-ma’amed.

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What bizarre and absurd line of reasoning. Users who care about their privacy and opt out of downloading ads and malware are 'denying creators revenue'?

Are you denying creators revenue by not reading reading/observing every ad that comes your way and making purchases based on them? Maybe you should read/comment on HN less and focus on consuming more ads instead?

What at an incredibly stupid thing to say.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by manwe150 »

andoando wrote: post #138
f4stjack wrote: post #127

Google does not hate us... it is worse than that - it is indifferent to us. Hate requires some sort of recognition. I mean this single incident may not mean anything but overall google is heading to an _interesting_ place. In short, it was state of the art but in 20 years it became just another conglomerate sacrificing quality for shareholder gain, I think? As a search engine, it does not work for me. I see promoted…

The promoted links have gotten insane, the first 5-6 links often appear to be ads

Worse, they often aren't even relevant: we searched "passport renewal" and you had to go the the second page to even get the government site that renews passports, and not ad scams masquerading as the real thing. Optimized for engagement, presumably.

Edit: come to think of it, I don't know why I still use Google. I don't care if they track me. But when they have been actively try to prevent me from finding the information I'm looking for, and instead try to scam me?

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