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Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by egypturnash »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #55
dylan604 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on how in-house you want to go. If you go full in-house, you'll need sales staff to make deals with advertisers. You'll then need a way of hosting the media provided. You'll need a way to deal with media that does not match what you've requested. You'll need a system to allocate ad space accordingly to contracts with ad clients. It's like a whole new department in your company.

I don’t have a sales staff. I just call a company, tell them why I’m calling and what’s the opportunity, crack some jokes, get serious and make them an offer. It helps that I’m in a niche, thoroughly know the sector and that they most likely already know my websites. As long as I can get to the owner of the company, then I’m golden.

Spiders Georg runs his company from a cave and buys 10,000 spiders every day; he is an outlier and should not be counted.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

WarmWash wrote: post #58
phyzix5761 wrote: post #42

Why would Google need to direct traffic to the website when they've already scraped and trained their models on the data? Content creators and legitimate websites were wham-bammed and thank-you-ma’amed.

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well I didn't downvote but there is an obvious difference in thousands of uncoordinated people doing something whenever it benefits vs. a large organization with automated resources doing things at the kinds of speeds and volumes that automation allows.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by anigbrowl »

hungryhobbit wrote: post #18

They're a wiki. Wiki spammers are relentless now. Source: a small wiki I help manage, for an obscure game with On a popular wiki, and it sounds like this one was fairly popular, I imagine even CAPTCHA's won't be enough to stop wiki spammers. If those spammers were posting more than just "buy my penis pill" garbage (e.g. they were putting links to malware sites), Google probably, and somewhat legitimately, saw them as…

Do you have any basis for saying that this wiki is overrun with spam, or are you just hand-waving? They were explicit in their Twitter thread about not being full of AI slop, and that they checked their list of pages that were marked as 'crawled but not indexed' and found no abuse.

I understand that you were taken aback by spam attacks on the wiki you help manage, but it's not reasonable to generalize from yours to theirs.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by vrganj »

skeptic_ai wrote: post #61
vrganj wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi EU. How about one of those lovely anti-trust cases?

I really hope eu can extinguish Google before they extinguish all websites. Will be an exponential death of website very soon once they lose traffic.

I'm worried about the Trump/Tech-Oligarch axis interfering with legal processes in the EU and preventing needed regulation.

We should've gotten out of US dependence decades ago.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by zeitg3ist »

kokojambo wrote: post #49

It appears for me when I search for it. Even Gemini is cool with looking for it. Here is a part of the Gemini result I got which was directly above the regular result link. "Pokémon Central is a major community network and independent Italian encyclopedia for everything Pokémon-related" Honestly, the title is super clickbait and it doesn't even reflect reality. Its so easy picking some giant entity far away and creat…

Maybe the claims in the Twitter thread weren’t clear enough; I’ve added some clarification especially for you: https://x.com/pokemoncentral/status/2057157781611024764

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by jolmg »

0x5FC3 wrote: post #70
sitebolts wrote: post #56

Google's always adjusting its search rankings, but it's rare for a legitimate site to suffer such a sudden massive hit without reason. My first thought would be that they accidentally blocked Google's crawler (maybe through some kind of anti-AI setting?) or that Google believes that the site is serving malware or spam. Either scenario can have that kind of effect. I can see that their forum at least appears to have s…

> They're also using a subdomain for both their wiki and forum, which Google has been observed to punish. They might consider moving each of those to their own separate .com domain. Any sources for this? AFAIK, Google treats websites on a subdomain as a separate entity.

https://developers.google.com/search/docs/fundamentals/seo-s...

> Things we believe you shouldn't focus on: As SEO has evolved, so have the ideas and practices (and at times, misconceptions) related to it. What was considered best practice or top priority in the past may no longer be relevant or effective due to the way search engines (and the internet) have developed over time.

> Subdomains versus subdirectories: From a business point of view, do whatever makes sense for your business. For example, it might be easier to manage the site if it's segmented by subdirectories, but other times it might make sense to partition topics into subdomains, depending on your site's topic or industry.

Doesn't quite explicitly say it treats them the same, but it kinda implies it.

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by anigbrowl »

ajkjk wrote: post #41
righthand wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Social sites should have all have a tree-based invite system. This would allow wiping out spammers and their enablers in a single hit. It would allow vetting of good actors too.

I feel like the dream solution is more like tree-based content: you see content that is vouched for by people you vouch for; if someone's account is compromised then their vouches get updated to not matter anymore, cutting their whole tree off at the root to make it invisible. Spammers should end up in largely disconnected components of the trees.

How does new content or content from new accounts get seen by anyone?

Re: Apparently Google hates us now

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Post by kokojambo »

zeitg3ist wrote: post #75
kokojambo wrote: post #49

It appears for me when I search for it. Even Gemini is cool with looking for it. Here is a part of the Gemini result I got which was directly above the regular result link. "Pokémon Central is a major community network and independent Italian encyclopedia for everything Pokémon-related" Honestly, the title is super clickbait and it doesn't even reflect reality. Its so easy picking some giant entity far away and creat…

Maybe the claims in the Twitter thread weren’t clear enough; I’ve added some clarification especially for you: https://x.com/pokemoncentral/status/2057157781611024764

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