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Re: College students drown out AI-praising commencement speeches with boos

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Post by pesus »

WarmWash wrote: post #115
whizzter wrote: post #84

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Yeah, people in art production are far far more negative about AI than most sceptical developers. I wouldn't be surprised if a huge percentage of concept artists are out of jobs or changing specialization these days (Creating a throwaway image for a pitch or imaging document can probably be as easily conveyed through a prompt and the people looking at them are probably often not savvy enough to appreciate the differe…

The most jarring thing for me is that artists tend to be the most "communally oriented, socially forward" group of people. I've definitely spent my fair time around them. As soon as tools came about that socialized their skill, opened it to everyone, they immediately and violently opposed it. Which is totally understandable, except when your core ideology you have been pushing for your whole life is to socialize ever…

Nothing was preventing anyone with internet access or a computer from learning to create art before.

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Post by pesus »

QuercusMax wrote: post #329
gizzlon wrote: post #326

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> You've essentially made a novelty song Disagree. Gp didn't make anything. I told a waiter in a restaurant what I wanted to eat, and I got it. But I did not make the food : )

Maybe more like collaborated with a robo chef to make a plate of food based on a recipe you've adapted. At some point you have to be OK with accepting "I made this" as meaning "my vision was executed under my supervision".

> At some point you have to be OK with accepting "I made this" as meaning "my vision was executed under my supervision".

No one has to be ok with this.

Re: College students drown out AI-praising commencement speeches with boos

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Post by gizzlon »

QuercusMax wrote: post #329
gizzlon wrote: post #326

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> You've essentially made a novelty song Disagree. Gp didn't make anything. I told a waiter in a restaurant what I wanted to eat, and I got it. But I did not make the food : )

Maybe more like collaborated with a robo chef to make a plate of food based on a recipe you've adapted. At some point you have to be OK with accepting "I made this" as meaning "my vision was executed under my supervision".

No, I don't have to be okay with that.

It's like oneshotting an app with Lovable or cc and bragging about what "I made"

Re: College students drown out AI-praising commencement speeches with boos

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Post by ElevenLathe »

mxuribe wrote: post #135
romaniv wrote: post #106

GenAI is the first technology that I've ever seen that is actively rejected by young adults and fervently pushed by people over 55. It seems Eric Schmids of the world think they (in their 70s) have more say about the future of these students than the students themselves. That is very unlikely.

I think it might be because some folks from the older generation have a sense of entitlement...mostly because they often lived through a glorious period that en masse has been beneficial to them...They expected flying cars, etc...So, now, this time they'll get their AI servants...So, its sort of an expectation (for some from this older generation) that the world will keep giving them lots of good (well, good for them…

I think it's much less about generation than about material conditions. It's easier to convince someone that AI is going to be good for their bottom line if they are already retired, or at least have a significant chunk of savings (and therefore investments) and a job higher up the food chain/org chart than a new college grad does. For most working class people, age is a necessary but not sufficient condition to have these things, but there are plenty of older workers who are feeling the fear as well.

Re: College students drown out AI-praising commencement speeches with boos

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Post by tavavex »

madnewgrad26 wrote: post #305
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #157

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I am a teen, so I want you to consider yourself in the shoes of us youngsters. you grind for 4 years, you might have student debt or a substantial loss of family income as it was invested in your education (I am assuming 30k$) Now the whole purpose of it was to educate you, now some people cheated their way through with AI or whatever in the education system. So the whole thing ends up going to the job market and wel…

I just graduated, my friends and I have realized that these older generations are just ladder pullers: they hate us. I’ve watched my classmates politics and outlook become more extreme over time. I don’t think I have any respect for older generations anymore, I was never this jaded before, but my classmates say more extreme stuff.

I'm also a recent graduate and I can confirm everything you've said. Both me and everyone I know in my age and social group are feeling more hopeless and jaded than ever.

What are your classmates saying? Since our class has little to no power, representation or money, I'm very pessimistic about the odds of anything ever changing.

Re: College students drown out AI-praising commencement speeches with boos

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Post by pesus »

arjie wrote: post #293

All right, I read the Eric Schmidt speech and it's fine https://xcancel.com/Jason/status/2056413992369676293?s=20 It's not "out of touch" or rubbing everyone's noses in it or any of the other nonsense that people are talking about. It's got a pretty clear thesis: this is a revolutionary technology of a kind that many of us thought impossible even within this last decade; and it hasn't been fully defined what its use…

It is absolutely disconnected from reality. An old billionaire does not in any way understand what new graduates are feeling and fearing about AI and its impact on the world. He has not existed or lived like any normal person does for decades at this point, and holds significant blame for the current state of tech/AI and everything that comes with it.

Re: College students drown out AI-praising commencement speeches with boos

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Post by pesus »

RickJWagner wrote: post #26

I’d be anxious, too, if I were just starting my career. Those kids just invested a lot of time and money in an education, and the payoff looks a lot like a gamble. But AI is going to help, not hurt in the long run. Technology always makes things better and cheaper in the long run. Poverty diminishes, free time increases, things truly do get better over time. This’ll be a short term bump, but it’ll be a steep one.

Are you willing to join in the suffering in the meantime? That's what everyone saying "it'll get better in the long run!" seems to ignore.

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Post by skybrian »

smallmancontrov wrote: post #216
skybrian wrote: post #146

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Somehow, wages tend to go up, though: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q

Nice try, now use a deflator that doesn't systematically understate housing and forced substitution.

A national average (which is what an inflation rate is) can only do so much. It's going to include people who spend very different amounts on housing, probably not much like the situation where you live.

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Post by hnlmorg »

dragontamer wrote: post #179
hnlmorg wrote: post #167

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> the kids finally understand who to blame You do realise that “sticking it to the man” is something that kids are uniquely good at? This isn’t something that’s only just happened in the last generation. It’s how society has operated since before we lived in caves.

The increased younger vote for Trump is a big part of our current set of problems. Remember: Google was declared a monopoly by Bidens Justice department. We were setting up a system to break down monopolies and restore order to the market. Trump got rid of that.

The problem was Trump marketed himself as being anti-establishment (like many far-right parties do) and people fell for that crap.

It’s the same problem time and time again. people conflate regulation with “the establishment” when in fact it’s usually strict rules and processes that prevent us slipping into a dystopian nightmare. But of course people make this mistake because the same people who stand to benefit from deregulation are the ones pouring millions of dollars/pounds/or whatever your local currency into convincing people that the issue was caused by someone else and can only be solved by removing those safe guards we needed.

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