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Re: Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Saudi Arabia, UAE

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The title should read "Saudi Arabia". Cutting a country name in half (unless its an accepted way of abbreviating it) is not a good say of modifying a headline. What is next? Zealand ?

The submitter was just trying to fit HN's 80 char limit for titles. We've adjusted it now.

Re: Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Saudi Arabia, UAE

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Social media companies post record earnings year after year from their ads business while increasingly proving to be harmful to society. They do the bare minimum in terms of content moderation and bots while priming the algorithms to maximize revenue. The good ol' privatized profits, socialized harm model. In a just world, would social media platforms be taxed higher on corporate revenue and how would that pan out? M…

I’m taking it as a given that any sufficiently large social network is a gigantic propaganda machine of interest to domestic and foreign nation-state actors. Entertaining the thought experiment where all the normies join the fediverse: now you’ve got a big juicy target maintained by hobbyists. When it’s Lazarus Group vs Randall, the over-worked sys admin who stood up a node in his spare time, who do you think wins? S…

What exactly would you like banned and how would you define what should be banned and what shouldn’t?

I assume you want FB and Insta banned. What about Reddit? YouTube? Hacker news? Discord? X? Dating apps? Snapchat? WhatsApp? iMessage? Gmail? Just curious where exactly you draw the line, and how you’d implement the ban.

Re: Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Saudi Arabia, UAE

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“Meta blocks Western propaganda from reaching the Middle East” would be a good title

Lol at the idea of "Western propaganda" being opposed to these regimes. They are friends with Our Greatest Ally, so they are friends with us

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Re: Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Saudi Arabia, UAE

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry if my comment came off dismissive, I was just remarking the idea of banning social media seems like we're going down the wrong alley. I like other commenter's ideas of outlawing the underlying tech. I'm more-so just asking how to make a distinction between a post on Reddit (commonly called social media) and a post on Stack-Overflow (not commonly referred to as social media). Discord vs Teams...etc. I think…

It still reads like a bunch of deflection, which is the usual response from industries from big oil to fast food to tobacco to pharmaceuticals. Delay delay delay and continue reap the profits in the meantime by making people talk in circles instead of addressing the problem. Let Q4 figure it out, just keep the Q2 gravy train rolling. Also, nobody is trying to outlaw math. That's just a silly hyperbolic talking point.

Saying “ban social media” is a lot like saying to solve lung cancer we must “ban cigarette lighters” when lighters are actually quite useful outside of smoking cigarettes and banning lighters doesn’t really fix the problem.

Re: Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Saudi Arabia, UAE

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Does this mean HN users are only happy when US companies are forced to follow whatever regulations HN users like, but not others? Seems hypocritical. It just means HN hasn’t yet held the vote to decide what we collectively think on the matter. The vote takes place tomorrow, and you need 500 karma to be eligible to vote. In seriousness, what an immature view of the world to think an online forum has a hive mind that c…

You probably realise that this website has a voting system (that’s what the small icons next to all comments do; they are not meant to be triangles but arrows). Through this voting system users can show their support or disapproval of any content posted by other users. When a majority of users consistently upvote the same set of opinions positively, you can tell how that majority feels about some matter.

Re: Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Saudi Arabia, UAE

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Right, but it should be acknowledged that this is likely an amoral decision on Facebook's part (or more charitably, a pragmatic decision) not an immoral one. The governments that forced these changes in the first place are of course acting immorally, that's not in dispute.

Facebook acquiscing to dictatorships that block human rights organizations is immoral.

It is.

It’s not as bas as the time they helped organise a genocide though, so there is that.

Re: Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Saudi Arabia, UAE

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Do they have a choice? It’s either that or they are shown the door, in which case they will probably be replaced by worse local alternatives in terms of freedom of speech and gov influence

People here all complain about social American social media companies defying the law when they refuse to cooperate with EU censorship, then they complain about them not defying the law with Saudi censorship, it's a double standard.

Re: Meta blocks human rights accounts from reaching audiences in Saudi Arabia, UAE

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You don't ban the users or the internet, you make it illegal to do shitty psyops on the public. They were making plenty of money on chronological friend feeds.

How do you ban psyops? Require every user register with a gov ID so there’s someone to go after? What’s a psyop vs a grassroots contrarian movement like LGBT used to be? Anonymity online seems the ultimate double edge sword. I prefer privacy over government prescribed safety.

I know I'm in the crazy minority but I'm over anonymity at this point. I want to know who's a real person and sincerely who they claim to be. The harms of trolling, scamming and societal mis/disinformation, for me, outweigh whatever benefit exists in anonymity. I've never assumed I was anonymous from the government anyway so really, we're just anonymous from one-another. Seems like a classic method of divide and conquer now that I think about it. All that said, I have no idea how to safely enforce ID'ing without some kind of authority (goverment or ideally something else).
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