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Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment

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Re: Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment

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I think the headline is misleading to the point of being childish. It describes a consolidation of _online_ payment systems that are currently quite fragmented in the EU. It does nothing about in-store payments. Direct debit cards (10x as popular as credit cards in the EU) are often still MC/Visa powered, and the fastest way to pay contactless (even if that is via Apple Pay).

“balkanized” is offensive term

Re: Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment

#532

I'm legitimately curious how these American payment companies held onto their worldwide dominance for so long. I'm used to seeing the sign at restaurants of all the other cards they accept, but for so long I've only ever seen Amex, Discover, Visa, and Mastercard in folks' hands.

Amex is not very popular in Europe. Discover... I am not sure, not that much. Visa and MasterCard are everywhere though

Based on my recent experience, Discover is spotty in Europe but some places definitely accept it. Not that great if you're on vacation and want to avoid hassle, though. Discover is my main driver (both credit and bank) in the US, but I decided to use a Visa card in Europe just to avoid random rejections. But you won't be screwed in western Europe if all you have is a Discover card.

Re: Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment

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Wero is basically an EU-wide version of the Dutch iDeal system, which in my opinion is the gold standard of how internet payment should work. I shouldn't have to fill in any card numbers on the site of the merchant (which is unsafe). Instead, the payment should redirect me to my bank, where I authorize the payment through my own bank's security system. I've always been annoyed by the need to type in sensitive card in…

> Wero is basically an EU-wide version of the Dutch iDeal system, which in my opinion is the gold standard of how internet payment should work. For some reason, most Dutch people are convinced that the way things work in the Netherlands is the gold standard of how things should work in general, and are very hostile to solutions from other countries even if those solutions are better by any sensible metric. This is es…

In reply to .3: bancontact is nearly free per operation, but credit card were percentage heavy fee per transaction... That's why. And don't forget that the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg will prefer debit over credit for payment.

Don't forget that the banking world is still under a lot of pressure from the various government (systemic risk assessment for example) and the stakeholders. It's a mess!

Re: Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment

#534

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> Euro is pronounced "you-ro" This in not true for everywhere that uses the Euro, unsurprisingly because that encompasses a large linguistic area. I know for a fact France doesn't pronounce it that way.

In France it's pronounced "uh row"

interestingly, french speakers just have to pronounce "wero" as "nouro" for the same pun to work ("eux-ro" vs "nous-ro")

Re: Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment

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I’m 50. All startup news looks like this: “Payments via Zoosha? K-smog and Batboy launch new startup.”

It's better than that trend of taking English words and removing the final vowels before "r" or some other consonant.

Vowels are _so_ 1900s

Re: Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment

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post #531
post #481

I think the headline is misleading to the point of being childish. It describes a consolidation of _online_ payment systems that are currently quite fragmented in the EU. It does nothing about in-store payments. Direct debit cards (10x as popular as credit cards in the EU) are often still MC/Visa powered, and the fastest way to pay contactless (even if that is via Apple Pay).

“balkanized” is offensive term

I wasn't aware. It's meant to refer to every country having a different solution for the same thing, which in the EU is much the case.

That said I picked it up from Steve Jobs talking about cable networks in the US.

Re: Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment

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post #50
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m 50. All startup news looks like this: “Payments via Zoosha? K-smog and Batboy launch new startup.”

It's better than that trend of taking English words and removing the final vowels before "r" or some other consonant.

We're appending "AI" now to English words, to match the Anguilla TLD that are fashionable and will never become dated.

- Mike, co-founder of MoistAI

Re: Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment

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post #50

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It's better than that trend of taking English words and removing the final vowels before "r" or some other consonant.

Or adding "-ly" at the end. "Just use Cashly!" "Download Crditly"

It's bonkers to me that Box and Square are two totally different companies in two totally different industries

Re: Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment

#539
post #517
post #481

I think the headline is misleading to the point of being childish. It describes a consolidation of _online_ payment systems that are currently quite fragmented in the EU. It does nothing about in-store payments. Direct debit cards (10x as popular as credit cards in the EU) are often still MC/Visa powered, and the fastest way to pay contactless (even if that is via Apple Pay).

Online and in-store payments will follow in 2027, as per the article

Understood. But even then it couldn't be easier than the contactless direct debit we already have.

Re: Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment

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What about authentication? I remember living in Belgium this was the case, and I always had to go and find that stupid physical barcode reader that I then had to hold against the screen, sign in with my debit card, PIN, enter the Euro amount, and then sign the transaction. Now that I live in the USA, I have my credit card number in Bitwarden, with expiration date and CVC. When I want to buy something, I let it autofi…

> I remember living in Belgium this was the case, and I always had to go and find that stupid physical barcode reader that I then had to hold against the screen, sign in with my debit card, PIN, enter the Euro amount, and then sign the transaction. I can't talk about Belgium but from what I've read, the dutch iDeal system requires nothing of the sort. It seems to act as a broker between your bank and the business, an…

It used to be the case in the Netherlands with iDeal that you'd use your bank's e.dentifier for two factor auth (a physical device that you'd put your card into to get a code you could then put into the website to verify) - they replaced this with using your banking app sometime over the past 10 years.
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