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Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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post #71

I’ll cut against the grain here and say it’s ABSOLUTELY appropriate for taxpayers to pay the bill here. It’s pretty toxic that people don’t want to take responsibility for their own government in a democracy. In this case, it’s especially bad, given the sheriff is elected by the people directly. But I’d go even further and say even where control is less direct, we need incentives for voters to take this stuff serious…

Taxpayers should get a line item on their tax bills that specifically counts the amount of their bill that went toward settlements arising out of police misconduct, so they can see in numeric terms what they're voting for.

I'd vote for that in a heartbeat.

I think part of the problem here is that this is usually hidden from visibility (intentionally) by officials because it reflects negatively on them.

It may make the news for a day or two, never get seen by the majority of voters, and get swept away later under the deluge of distraction most "infotainment pretending to be news" provides.

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Go further and just list all government settlements/court judgements underneath the elected official in charge of the branch responsible.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

#122

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The UK has different speech laws than the United States. Presumably, the actions of the police making those arrests are within the scope of UK law. Even if 90% don't result in a conviction, the police may still be operating within the scope of their authority in those arrests.

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The suggestion that the actions within UK happen everywhere in Europe is just as misleading.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

#123
post #98

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> In a sane, fair, and (crucially) long-term stable system, persons given privilege and authority over others are subject to a higher standard for their own behavior. The US military is subject to a higher standard, the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Penalties for US service members breaking the law or codes of conduct are much higher and much more severe than civilians. The US military makes routine example of la…

> Penalties for US service members breaking the law or codes of conduct are much higher and much more severe than civilians. The US military makes routine example of law breakers and misconduct Honest question, is this currently true?

No. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Gallagher_(Navy_SEAL)

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

#124
post #97

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I don't think both-sidesing this is particularly appropriate. Law enforcement officers who abuse their position to harm people under false pretenses should be prosecuted as criminals, because that's what they are. This is true in any political environment and entirely distinct from the Trump administration's malicious and baseless abuse of the legal system against Trump's perceived enemies. You are demonstrating what…

Public trust should be lost, because these institutions were never trustworthy. I am not both sidesing. I'm saying that there are better reform options than adding additional criminal statutes that are likely to be abused. Put simply, do you want the Trump administration to be able to bring criminal charges against any prosecutor or judge that they can argue brought a bad case?

You could make this argument about anything. We should have no laws, because they might be abused by a malicious prosecutor. Utter nonsense.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

#125
post #111
post #9

The path to solving a culture that overincarcerates is not by incarcerating those involved in perpetuating that culture. We need to tame the impulse to throw people in jail for doing things we dislike, not just point it at different targets. I see several comments saying that criminal charges should be brought over this. That is not the way.

This is a grossly disingenuous strawman. The top comment as of posting clearly states "The sheriff that arrested him should face criminal charges for misuse of authority ." False imprisonment is against the law, this situation is far from merely doing something we dislike.

False imprisonment generally doesn't apply when due process is followed, like getting a warrant.

You'd have to change the law to allow for prosecutions in cases like this, and that change would likely be weaponized in other cases.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

#128

The sheriff that arrested him should face criminal charges for misuse of authority. That he doesn't reflects a structural weakness in US law. In most European legal systems a law enforcement officer overstepping his legal authority would face criminal charges for it.

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Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

#129
post #120
post #51

Reminds me of Douglass Mackey, who was convicted for sharing deceptive memes before the 2016 election that falsely told Clinton supporters they could vote by text message. He was sentenced to 7 months in federal prison in 2023.

I wondered if anyone else noticed that. I upvoted. Hopefully more people will as well to balance out the bias. To those of you downvoting, please articulate why you think something deserves a downvote. As it is, I can only assume rather hypocritical double standards. Someone saying something anti-Trump is ok, but someone saying something anti-Leftist (or Clinton) is not? (For the record, I 100% am on the side of the…

In one case, the meme was accurate - the photo, the quote, and its attribution were all accurate, and the cops knew that. It never made it to trial, for obvious reasons.

In the other, it was false information, a grand jury indicted, and a jury convicted. The appeal rested on the government struggling to demonstrate a) anyone actively fell for the information and b) the conspiracy element. (https://ww3.ca2.uscourts.gov/decisions/OPN/23-7577_opn.pdf)

Somehow, this distinction is... bias?

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

#130
post #67

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The death penalty should be reserved for people who violate a position of public trust and authority.

You want to give the government the legal ability to threaten the life of the entire civil service, judiciary, and all elected representatives. I’m sure that would never be abused.

The government already has that, since currently anyone (except the King) can get the death penalty.
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