Seems like a lot of entities are "quietly" doing things these days. The llm-ification of every piece of text on the internet is driving me crazy
"Quietly" is not a new LLM-ism.
Google’s AI is being manipulated. The search giant is quietly fighting back
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#62So please correct me, but was Google's AI crawling the web for information without discretion? If so, why wouldn't that totally santorum the AI answers?
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#63My worry dropped significantly when I saw that the result they manipulated was a query for: >2026 South Dakota International Hot Dog Eating Champion If they had changed the overview for the Nathans Contest winner, that would be seriously concerning. Or if they provided more examples of manipulating queries for things people actually search for. But it looks more like they are doing the equivalent of creating a made u…
Right. So that's what one guy can do. When you realize how much astroturf is going into Reddit, most social media platforms, and the efforts to manipulate wikipedia for political gain, this is a very real problem.
Manipulation and misinformation on Wikipedia have been happening for many years (based on my personal experience trying to correct facts). I'm not referencing politics per se, though political views certainly impact Wikipedia since source material, these days, often has a political bias. I'm talking about business facts that get manipulated for that business's benefits.
How does that saying go? If you can't identify the mark in the room, you're the mark. Diligence and a good amount of skepticism serve you well before AI, and certainly post-AI.
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#64This is just the next phase of SEO. Maybe it'll be called AIO? Just like with search, this will be and endless struggle of Google and AI providers rolling out fixes, optimization firms finding exploits, those getting patched again, etc etc. Anything to get eyeballs for marketing.
Engineered Inference Ersatz Intelligence Optimization (EIEIO)
Re: Google’s AI is being manipulated. The search giant is quietly fighting back
#65Whose AI isn't being manipulated???
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
They should provide the queries then, because it's likely the same trick people have used for decades now with SEO'ing blog posts to appear as "3rd party review" for their shitty products. I create a supplement called Xanatewthiuy, I write blogs/make websites that appear totally unaffiliated saying positive things about "Xanatewthiuy", and then when people see my ads and search for "Xanatewthiuy", the only results ar…
Right now, using Google searching for "what is Xanatewthiuy" , the AI summary is not generated, but the only search result previews as > Xanatewthiuy is a supplement that dramatically lowers anxiety from media induced hysteria, primarily stemming from carefully worded pieces meant ...
Duck Duck Go links to this discussion as the first result. Adding a !g to the DDG search takes me to an anonymous google where I’ve not turned off AI. There’s an AI summary now which accurately identifies it as a spoof, and a single search result with the preview as described.
Re: Google’s AI is being manipulated. The search giant is quietly fighting back
#67This is just the next phase of SEO. Maybe it'll be called AIO? Just like with search, this will be and endless struggle of Google and AI providers rolling out fixes, optimization firms finding exploits, those getting patched again, etc etc. Anything to get eyeballs for marketing.
In the marketing world it's mostly called GEO. Generative Engine Optimization, sometimes Answer Engine Optimization, and people are making big bucks selling services for it. https://www.wired.com/story/goodbye-seo-hello-geo-brandlight...
Every day I find myself thinking more and more that capitalism ruined the internet. The Green Card Lottery usenet spam was the clear indication of where things were going and now everything is Green Card Lottery spam.
Re: Google’s AI is being manipulated. The search giant is quietly fighting back
#68Seems like a lot of entities are "quietly" doing things these days. The llm-ification of every piece of text on the internet is driving me crazy
I hate it. I was on a history subreddit yesterday, reading a submission that was an AI generated history piece —- but seemed to be sourced entirely from a fictional hollywood movie I only knew that because i saw the movie, but it’s a clear sign that the internet is going to shit for quality information
I thought at first when you said “fictional hollywood movie” that you were saying that not only were the details in the submission made up, but the movie that they got them from was also made up.
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#69As Google has been unable to keep spammy crap out of their search index since at least 2006 when we were doing Blekko I doubt they will have much success fighting this. But it is another good example that "AI" is just glorified search and there is not reasoning or thinking going on behind the covers.
Hmm. I don’t think that novel code generation can be accounted for with glorified search.
I can have my agentic system read a few data sheets, then I explain the project requirements and have it design driver specifications, protocols, interfaces, and state machines. Taking those, develop an implementation plan. Working from that, write the skeleton of the application, then fill it in to create a functional system using a novel combination of hardware.
Done correctly, I end up with better, more maintainable, smaller code than I used to with a small team, at 1/100 the cost and 1/4 the time.
Whatever that is, it more closely resembles reasoning than search.
Unless, of course, you’d also call bare metal C development on novel hardware search, in which case I guess all dev is search?
Re: Google’s AI is being manipulated. The search giant is quietly fighting back
#70My worry dropped significantly when I saw that the result they manipulated was a query for: >2026 South Dakota International Hot Dog Eating Champion If they had changed the overview for the Nathans Contest winner, that would be seriously concerning. Or if they provided more examples of manipulating queries for things people actually search for. But it looks more like they are doing the equivalent of creating a made u…
Right. So that's what one guy can do. When you realize how much astroturf is going into Reddit, most social media platforms, and the efforts to manipulate wikipedia for political gain, this is a very real problem.
It's very hard to tell how much is actually fake though. Are there any good statistics on this?