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Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment

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Re: Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment

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post #124

If they can make it as seamless as UPI, that would be incredible. UPI, imo, is the pinnacle of ease of internet payments - as seamless and quick as it can get.

Yes, every user just gets a handle with no personal or bank info revealed and off you go. User keys in a UPI ID in any merchant site/app, get a push notification for approval in mobile app. Can associate multiple bank accounts to a UPI ID underneath. Approval will ask which account to debit from too. Can't get simpler than this.

Re: Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment

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Too bad cryptocurrency never took off. Such a missed opportunity

Can't be a missed opportunity if it never took off.

People know what they like/dislike, and crypto payments didn't cut it for whatever reasons. UX, cost, and waiting for blockchain confirmations come to mind.

Also what problems did it solve that we actually have? Without that, there's no incentive for change.

Re: Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment

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post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

also relevant is the end of this SNL sketch from this last weekend - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS97AzfKp3U

And this SNL sketch from a few decades ago: https://youtu.be/NWIlScfHwOU?si=64xMCQf8MHtho44H

This one still makes me laugh!

Re: Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment

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post #43

Wero is basically an EU-wide version of the Dutch iDeal system, which in my opinion is the gold standard of how internet payment should work. I shouldn't have to fill in any card numbers on the site of the merchant (which is unsafe). Instead, the payment should redirect me to my bank, where I authorize the payment through my own bank's security system. I've always been annoyed by the need to type in sensitive card in…

That’s how giro payments work. Same for Klarna.

Re: Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment

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Payments are much more complicated than just who your issuer is. As noted in other comments, connecting the customer directly to the aquirer can lose significant functionality. Pre authorization, installments, card on file and other typical services may be offered differently than expected, or not at all. In addition, Mastercard and Visa still write the rules for industry. If at some point advanced Mastercard or Visa 3ds security significantly reduce fraud, and thus rates, consumers may start paying more for issuers that dont support similar technologies. On top of all of this, point of interaction device support may lag. The latest features from Ignenico and such may take a while to implement, or again may not be supported at all for smaller financial companies.

All that being said, it’s great for consumers to have the choice, and hopefully we all benefit from increased competition.

Disclaimer: I work for a Payment Gateway

Re: Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

West is just the US nowadays.

I would say West is Europe, Japan and a few others. But I think I need a new word for that one.

Ehh, I live in Europe. Moving forward I don't think it makes sense to bundle it with the US, who is like the biggest threat to the EU, considering the past few years.

Re: Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment

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post #43

Wero is basically an EU-wide version of the Dutch iDeal system, which in my opinion is the gold standard of how internet payment should work. I shouldn't have to fill in any card numbers on the site of the merchant (which is unsafe). Instead, the payment should redirect me to my bank, where I authorize the payment through my own bank's security system. I've always been annoyed by the need to type in sensitive card in…

I'm just not sure this directly competes with MC/Visa the way the article suggests.

Didn't other EU countries already have something similar to iDEAL, as opposed to using credit cards? And now we're just consolidating them?

Also, isn't this just about online payments? Who's going to pay for a coffee with either Wero or a credit card? AFAIK most EU consumers use direct debit cards for in-store payments (those countries where cash is no longer popular), be it via Apple Pay / Google Pay or not. Many a card of which by the way is directly or indirectly powered by Visa or Mastercard.

At any rate, I don't see EuroPA or Wero break the 'hegemony' of Visa/MC the way this article claims.

Re: Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment

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(In French.)

That could be a massive hassle for American tourists, who will still mostly have Visa and Mastercard. I'm sure that there will be some kind of solution -- I suspect Google Pay and Apple Pay will support the new network. But I'll have to keep an eye out.

I might even have to start bringing cash. I used to make that the very first thing I did on landing. The last few times I didn't get any cash at all.

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