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Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by spogbiper »

michaelsmanley wrote: post #44
petcat wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's only the domains that have been seized. US ISPs don't block websites in the same way they do in EU or China.

Oh, that's funny. The only ISP that services my current domicile blocks sites all the time in the name of "safety," including several I need to access for my job. I have to use a VPN just to get things done. There's no appeal process or channel, either. Thankfully, I'm a month out from moving somewhere that has actual choice in providers, though I'll probably still use the VPN anyway.

If you're on a typical US ISP, there is probably a way to avoid all filtering: pay for a business account rather than personal. Not saying it's fair or right, but it usually is an option

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by wat10000 »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #12
malfist wrote: post #3

Since when does a judge in NY get to tell Greenland they can't have their registrar sell to Anna's Archive?

There is a long history of judges thinking that they can render judgments internationally. (Not just in the US, either.) I suspect it's more performance art than an actual expectation that the judgment will do anything.

Performance art is a huge part of the justice system. That's why there's the funny clothes and titles. A major function of the system is to convince people that its authority is real and its actions are fair. It has the power of the state, but it still needs most people to obey it willingly in order for it to function.

Crazy judgments happen because they give the impression of impartiality. An accused murderer with $10 to his name gets held on a $1 million bond. What's the point, why not just hold them without bail? Because the rules say you do it this way and shrugging and saying "it doesn't actually matter so who cares?" doesn't make people feel like the system has the proper attitude.

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by CWuestefeld »

Aurornis wrote: post #18
josefritzishere wrote: post #6

AI companies can download books but people can't? Is that right?

AI companies were cited as a reason in the case: > The publishers argued that, in addition to sharing pirated books with the public, the shadow library is serving as a primary training data hub for AI companies like Meta and NVIDIA.

I assume that the repository of books was used as training data, but not by way of the annas-archive domain. Instead, it would make a lot more sense for them to download the whole pile via bittorrent, which has nothing at all to do with the domain. In other words, the legal solution here wouldn't have prevented the problem.

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by asdfsa32 »

ndiddy wrote: post #39
randomtoast wrote: post #8

They 100 percent sit in Russia, which will 100 percent ignore this, even if their identity gets uncovered. So it's perfectly safe to continue for the operators.

They used Cloudflare as a CDN, so now they lose that protection. Additionally, depending on how far up the chain the publishers are willing to go, everything on the Internet eventually leads to Western jurisdiction. For example, even if the servers are located in Russia, Russia's IP range is controlled by RIPE NCC in the Netherlands. RIPE NCC's service agreement specifically says that IP registration does not constit…

I would imagine that implications of that would be big, it won't be swift, it will be very slow and steady, but big. See GPS for reference.

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by petcat »

michaelsmanley wrote: post #44
petcat wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's only the domains that have been seized. US ISPs don't block websites in the same way they do in EU or China.

Oh, that's funny. The only ISP that services my current domicile blocks sites all the time in the name of "safety," including several I need to access for my job. I have to use a VPN just to get things done. There's no appeal process or channel, either. Thankfully, I'm a month out from moving somewhere that has actual choice in providers, though I'll probably still use the VPN anyway.

Sounds like you have some kind of parental controls or safety filters enabled on your account. You can probably disable that in your account settings. I had an ISP years ago that blocked spam, malware, and phishing sites from Google's safe browsing list. Could just disable that feature in the account portal.

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by gruez »

xiphias2 wrote: post #34
josefritzishere wrote: post #6

AI companies can download books but people can't? Is that right?

They already trained on it, now they don't want competitors anymore

>now they don't want competitors anymore

"They" aren't a single group. Broadly speaking, publishers are the ones suing anna's archive, and they're involved in suits against AI companies as well. I'm not aware of any efforts by AI companies to take down anna's archive.

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by gruez »

quentindanjou wrote: post #29
smallerize wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No? AI companies have been hit with court cases for that. Google, xAI, Open AI, and Meta at least.

Were these from the same high-profile publishers? What was the judgment? Seems that their domains are still active. Why is there a difference in judgment here?

>Why is there a difference in judgment here?

For one, they actually bothered to sent lawyers rather than getting hit with a default judgement.

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by boxed »

dewey wrote: post #20
malfist wrote: post #3

Since when does a judge in NY get to tell Greenland they can't have their registrar sell to Anna's Archive?

This is nothing new. Remember when the US pressured Sweden into taking down the pirate bay (Very unsuccessfully)? Using global influence to get countries to do something that they would not do on their own has always been the case.

Pretty successfully I would say. Armed police raided the server hosting provider scaring the shit out of some dudes who were just monitoring the power basically. And people went to prison.
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