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Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by dylan604 »

smallerize wrote: post #25
josefritzishere wrote: post #6

AI companies can download books but people can't? Is that right?

No? AI companies have been hit with court cases for that. Google, xAI, Open AI, and Meta at least.

So anyone with deep enough pockets can do it.

However, just because you receive a fine does not mean that you "can't" do it. You've already done it, got caught, now a fine. It does not mean that the LLM model has to be tossed out and destroyed with a new version trained up without that data. It just means can't is a very stupid word to imply here.

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by dylan604 »

quentindanjou wrote: post #29
smallerize wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No? AI companies have been hit with court cases for that. Google, xAI, Open AI, and Meta at least.

Were these from the same high-profile publishers? What was the judgment? Seems that their domains are still active. Why is there a difference in judgment here?

> Why is there a difference in judgment here?

$$$$$$$

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by saidnooneever »

nullifidian wrote: post #22
randomtoast wrote: post #8

They 100 percent sit in Russia, which will 100 percent ignore this, even if their identity gets uncovered. So it's perfectly safe to continue for the operators.

[deleted to avoid potential misinformation]

there is no confirmed origin for the archivist but only speculation they might be russian or eastern european?

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by thelastgallon »

josefritzishere wrote: post #6

AI companies can download books but people can't? Is that right?

Yes, perfectly okay for large companies for billionaires. As long its structured as a corporation, with the super wealthy as the majority owners, have the connections to get federal laws passed to grant monopolies and enable congress insider trading, everything is okay!

Some examples, there are probably hundreds more:

1) Its okay for pharma companies to provide addictive drugs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sackler_family

2) Coke can use cocaine, or coca leaves, but no one else: https://blog.oup.com/2014/03/coke-cocaine-coca-cola-capitali...

3) This one is hilarious and an ingenious innovation by current administration -- Ban on CBDC, locking out Fed Govt from providing crypto alternatives

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by ndiddy »

randomtoast wrote: post #8

They 100 percent sit in Russia, which will 100 percent ignore this, even if their identity gets uncovered. So it's perfectly safe to continue for the operators.

They used Cloudflare as a CDN, so now they lose that protection. Additionally, depending on how far up the chain the publishers are willing to go, everything on the Internet eventually leads to Western jurisdiction. For example, even if the servers are located in Russia, Russia's IP range is controlled by RIPE NCC in the Netherlands. RIPE NCC's service agreement specifically says that IP registration does not constitute legal property:

> The Member acknowledges and agrees that the registration of Internet Number Resources does not constitute property and the registration of Internet Number Resources in the name of the Member or a third party does not confer upon the Member or the third party any rights of ownership. The Member acknowledges that any Internet Number Resources deregistered by the RIPE NCC may be re-registered to another party according to the RIPE Policies.

If whatever service provider in Russia won't shut off their site, I imagine that the next step would be getting a court order in the Netherlands to revoke that provider's IP range.

Re: Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Post by jubilanti »

malfist wrote: post #3

Since when does a judge in NY get to tell Greenland they can't have their registrar sell to Anna's Archive?

> Since when does a judge in NY get to tell Greenland they can't have their registrar sell to Anna's Archive?

Since September 30, 1998, when ICANN was founded in the US.

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